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Originally Posted by MartinM
Justify that statement or retract it.

The first law of thermodynamics tells us that the total quantity of energy in the universe is a constant. This rules out a matter-creating chain of events leading to the bib bang;as well as any matter creating reaction after it.
On the fourth day of creation God made the energy of the universe a constant. "...And God saw that it was good(Gen1:18).
God created the universe so that it could sustain and function on its own (just like he did with the earth).

According to the second law of thermodynamics, the universe is running out of usable energy. But if the universe is running down, it cannot be eternal. Otherwise, it would have run down completely by now. While you can never run out of an unlimited amount of energy, it does not take forever to run out of a limited amount of energy. Hence, the universe must have had a beginning.
According to the second law of thermodynamics, all organic material would degrade spontaneously with time, acting against any evolution of primitive life.
Scientist agree that the presence of oxygen in the early atmosphere would prevent evolution because, according to organic chemistry, it is impossible for the building blocks of molecules found in living things to arise in the presence of oxygen. But if there was no oxygen, there was no ozone layer, the ultraviolet radiation of the sun would have destroyed any primitive life arising in the ocean.

Still no sign of burnt dino-bones
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Originally Posted by ZoneChaos
The only scientific fact I suppose would be logic, in that God followed a pattern in creation. Instantaneous creation of a mature man | Instantaneous creation of a mature universe.
But this is only logical if that particular interpretation of the scriptures is valid. And there are plenty of facts that would seem to falsify this particular interpretation. In addition, the Biblical language in Genesis is too general to say that Adam was instantly formed 'mature' (or the universe). The only thing we can say for certain is this: God did it. IOW, the instant formation interpretation that has not been substantiated either Biblically or otherwise. One can hardly say that these are 'logical facts', IMHO.
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Have you been reading Hovind (DrDino)?

As there are so many errors there, its amazing, lets start with the most glaring one, the Theory of Evolution says Nothing about the big bang, or abiogenesis.

Maybe you can explain Why the 2LoT would spontaneously with time (I find that phrase funny) prevent evolution.

what is evolution to begin with?
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Originally Posted by FEZZILLA
The first law of thermodynamics tells us that the total quantity of energy in the universe is a constant
It also has an annoying habit of breaking down. In any event, the total energy of the Universe (assuming that's even a meaningful concept may be zero.

According to the second law of thermodynamics, the universe is running out of usable energy. But if the universe is running down, it cannot be eternal. Otherwise, it would have run down completely by now. While you can never run out of an unlimited amount of energy, it does not take forever to run out of a limited amount of energy. Hence, the universe must have had a beginning
Second law also breaks down now and then. Ever hear of a Poincare recurrence?

According to the second law of thermodynamics, all organic material would degrade spontaneously with time, acting against any evolution of primitive life
Wrong. Second law says no such thing.

Scientist agree that the presence of oxygen in the early atmosphere would prevent evolution because, according to organic chemistry, it is impossible for the building blocks of molecules found in living things to arise in the presence of oxygen. But if there was no oxygen, there was no ozone layer, the ultraviolet radiation of the sun would have destroyed any primitive life arising in the ocean
There are organisms alive today that would do just fine without the ozone layer.
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Originally Posted by FEZZILLA
The first law of thermodynamics tells us that the total quantity of energy in the universe is a constant. This rules out a matter-creating chain of events leading to the bib bang;as well as any matter creating reaction after it.
On the fourth day of creation God made the energy of the universe a constant. "...And God saw that it was good(Gen1:18).
God created the universe so that it could sustain and function on its own (just like he did with the earth).

According to the second law of thermodynamics, the universe is running out of usable energy. But if the universe is running down, it cannot be eternal. Otherwise, it would have run down completely by now. While you can never run out of an unlimited amount of energy, it does not take forever to run out of a limited amount of energy. Hence, the universe must have had a beginning.
According to the second law of thermodynamics, all organic material would degrade spontaneously with time, acting against any evolution of primitive life.
Scientist agree that the presence of oxygen in the early atmosphere would prevent evolution because, according to organic chemistry, it is impossible for the building blocks of molecules found in living things to arise in the presence of oxygen. But if there was no oxygen, there was no ozone layer, the ultraviolet radiation of the sun would have destroyed any primitive life arising in the ocean.

Still no sign of burnt dino-bones

Your statements on the 1st law are wrong, period!!

Your statements on the 2nd law just don't make sense!

You obviously have read nothing on plaetary formation and the early Earth.

By the way, when does UV penetrate water?
No ozone layer does not have an effect on marine life. By the time life appeared on land you would already have formed an ozone layer due to oxygen produced by marine photsynthesis.

Please go and study before spouting off nonsense.
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Originally Posted by FEZZILLA
According to the second law of thermodynamics, all organic material would degrade spontaneously with time, acting against any evolution of primitive life.
Just to add to MartinM's comments:

If this statement was true then you could not make ice cubes in your freezer, nor would you get snow in the winter since ice is has less entropy than liquid water. The earth is a closed system (more or less regarding its mass) with a constant input of energy from the sun. Under such conditions it is quite possible to get the formation of complex molecules over time.
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[quote=Mike Flynn]


Where are you getting this stuff? Can you give us some papers that support
this nonsense?


QUOTE]


Listen, the science channel always has cosmologies on there. And they all agree with the astroid burning the earth. so im telling you what your evolutionist force-feed the world on the science channel.
You need to show me evidence that the dinodaurs were all burnt to a crisp.
I'm waiting
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Originally Posted by MartinM
It also has an annoying habit of breaking down.
Can you provide the axioms for such a statement cause no scientist yet has been able to.
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Fezzilla, show some self control, you're really looking ill-educated and a bit of a rube about now.
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