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That quote is part of the lady hope story and is false maybe you shouldn't use it anymore.
http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/feedback/jul98.html
http://www.csuchico.edu/~curban/Darwin_Folklore.html

Adam is Glad he sinned, since god commanded things to go forth and multiply, so if there was no death before adam, I think he would be walking on bunnies and breathing bugs in only about 20 years.

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Read Job 26:7,10 and Isaiah 40:22
Then tell me i have to rewrite the bible to fit fallible science!
One of these days im going to have to debate this board and put an end to evolution. The astroid is my favorite topic (a hint of BIG trouble for evolution)

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Originally Posted by FEZZILLA
How do you explain death before Adam??
When Jesus talks about eternal life, does He mean this in the spiritual sense, or the physical sense?
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I don't have a lot of time to debate so please forgive me.
The laws of thermodynamics prove the big band never happened.
The astoid that supposedly hit the earth was said to have effected the world worse than ALL the worlds nuclear missles all going off at once. This astroid burnt the earth and all that was in it to a crisp. then, molted rock was flung into orbit and back to earth again (Double death!) burning the earth again!
THEN, burning acid rain fell on the earth, the worse fall in history! Anything that didn't of a shell or tough skin was going to burn.
This theory is impossible!!
This Axiom i'm going to lay down and i expect instint links showing me photos of what im about to tell you. If the world was burnt to a crisp by a astroid greater than all the nukes in the world. Then the dinosaurs and everything died and nothing could have survived. And astroid this big would also leave a BIG hole somewhere on the earth...there is none. Furthmore, since there is no evidence that the dino-bones weren't burnt to the crisp, then i'd say evolution is in big trouble. Acid rain would have also contaminated the waters and atmosphere, thus, throwing off carbon dating. Creationist already agree that carbon dating is only good up to about 3,000 years......if even than..
The big bang?? Eternal universe??? Think about it...
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Originally Posted by FEZZILLA
The laws of thermodynamics prove the big band never happened
Justify that statement or retract it.
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Originally Posted by Mike Flynn
When Jesus talks about eternal life, does He mean this in the spiritual sense, or the physical sense?
I believe just in the spiritual sense. I don't think that we are going to heaven in our physical bodies. The bible seems to say the spiritual body. Im not an expert on this issue but im very sure its spiritual.
To me it don' t matter, i just wanna gooooooo!
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Originally Posted by FEZZILLA
I don't have a lot of time to debate so please forgive me.
The laws of thermodynamics prove the big band never happened.
Incorrect. In fact, the 2nd law of thermodynamics has been envoked by OEC to prove that God created the universe via the Big Bang. I'm not sure where you are getting your physics from, but you are not understanding it very well.

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The astoid that supposedly hit the earth was said to have effected the world worse than ALL the worlds nuclear missles all going off at once. This astroid burnt the earth and all that was in it to a crisp. then, molted rock was flung into orbit and back to earth again (Double death!) burning the earth again!
THEN, burning acid rain fell on the earth, the worse fall in history! Anything that didn't of a shell or tough skin was going to burn.
This theory is impossible!!
Where are you getting this stuff? Can you give us some papers that support this nonsense?

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Creationist already agree that carbon dating is only good up to about 3,000 years......if even than..
The big bang?? Eternal universe??? Think about it...
Then you should ask some real scientists (people who impose no agenda on the subject). Carbon dating is good to about 50000 years. Beyond that we have plenty of other radiometric, geological, and cosmological data that supports an old earth. If creationists say otherwise, then they are simply incorrect. Unless you can find us some substantial data to back your claims.

Sorry Fezzilla, you are going to have to do alot better than this in order to convince anyone.
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Originally Posted by Mike Flynn
Yes, except that theorizing and interpreting should have basis in fact (especially scientific ones). 'Mature creation' has none at all (scientifically speaking)...so it can hardly be considered a theory (anymore than my 'mature creation yesterday' is represents a plausible theory). As an interpretation of creation, then, the mature earth theory carries absolutely no factual weight.
The only scientific fact I suppose would be logic, in that God followed a pattern in creation. Instantaneous creation of a mature man | Instantaneous creation of a mature universe.

But other than that one observation I have not found any fact to support the theory as you said above.
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Originally Posted by FEZZILLA
I believe just in the spiritual sense. I don't think that we are going to heaven in our physical bodies. The bible seems to say the spiritual body. Im not an expert on this issue but im very sure its spiritual.
To me it don' t matter, i just wanna gooooooo!
Great. So now you can understand how you can have physical death before Adam (as in evolution) but no spiritual death before the fall (as in Genesis).
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