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Trouble is, it would likely take more than two or three sentences, and I don't think AV1611VET is capable of posting that many to a single question. One sentence responses seem to be his comfort level.
Considering that the entire Gospel can be condensed to one verse consisting of nineteen one-syllable words, that's not bad ---
Father, forgive AV, for he knows not what he does.
__________________ In matters that are obscure and far beyond our vision, even in such as we may find treated in Holy Scripture, different Interpretations are sometimes possible without prejudice to the faith we have received. - St. Augustine, in his analysis of Genesis.
Sorry --- I still don't get it. What do the Egyptians have to do with the upper latitudes? When the Flood occurred, the earth was one giant supercontinent, and it was a tropical paradise. About 100 years after the Flood, the earth was segmented into five giant continents, and it was at that time being exposed to polar climatology. The Egyptians would just be getting started, as they came from Noah's grandson.
All supposition.
Where in the Bible does it claim there was only one continent that separated into five parts after the Flood? No where.
Where in the Bible does it mention anything about "polar climatology?" No where.
What does any of this have to do with what I posted? Nothing.
Originally Posted by AV1611VET
There wouldn't be any mention of any Flood. The Sumerians came from Nimrod, Noah's great grandson.
Where does it say this? Why is the Summerian civilization older than 5,000 years? Are you claiming the entire Summerian civilization descended from one man?
Show me how the Bible claims that the writers of Genesis intended what they wrote to be historical. Something other than Jesus mentioning Adam would be good, since it is not clear if he was talking figuratively, nor even if he had made such remarks in teh first place.
__________________ “The biblical story of the perfect and finished creation from which human beings fell into sin is pre-Darwinian mythology and post-Darwinian nonsense." -Bishop John Shelby Spong
"It is not the obligation of the State to reconcile various faiths with reality. Do it yourself." -Atomweaver
"We have designed our civilization based on science and technology and at the same time arranged things so that almost no one understands anything at all about science and technology. This is a clear prescription for disaster."
- Carl Sagan (Demon Haunted World)
Father, forgive AV, for he knows not what he does.
"I feel your pain." -Bill Clinton
__________________ “The biblical story of the perfect and finished creation from which human beings fell into sin is pre-Darwinian mythology and post-Darwinian nonsense." -Bishop John Shelby Spong
"It is not the obligation of the State to reconcile various faiths with reality. Do it yourself." -Atomweaver
"We have designed our civilization based on science and technology and at the same time arranged things so that almost no one understands anything at all about science and technology. This is a clear prescription for disaster."
- Carl Sagan (Demon Haunted World)
This is going to sound very unChristian, but it is like hosting a dinner party and having your obnoxious uncle get drunk and begin spouting nonsense.
Or worse (even though I don't pretend to any great evangelical motive on this forum), having a new tech start up and looking for investors and your partner continually telling them that the business is all about sending chipmunks to the moon to search out a new source for havarti cheese.
__________________ In matters that are obscure and far beyond our vision, even in such as we may find treated in Holy Scripture, different Interpretations are sometimes possible without prejudice to the faith we have received. - St. Augustine, in his analysis of Genesis.
BUT! This is the same sort of claim made by many other religions: "Trust in what we say." So, if a Christian or Christianity is sincere about making converts, they have to explain why their religion is worth trusting more than the others. And part of establishing that trust is answering the tough questions. Not glibly side stepping them with time worn phrases like, "Just trust in god," which come off as, "yeah, our religion has problems, but don't pay any attention to them 'cause we don't have the answers."
Those other religions have nothing to do with Noah. Noah was dealing one on one with GOD. I would dare say that there were not any religious books at his time, at least not one that exists today. You are not staying on the subject. The subject concerns the idea that if GOD did it all, then was no need for a FLOOD. I clearly showed that was not the case.
But to answer your question, if other religions get their prayers answered and see meaning brought to their existance, are not filled with dred, fear, and doubt with regard to their eternal security, then fine. I however, see a lot of frightened people who constantly need reassurance. They want their feathers stroked, they want laws passed that will make them feel better about their behavior choices, and they try to turn off those they disagree with because they feel uncomfortable. I guess that makes my beliefs far better. I don't need any of that. My only concern now is for those who wish to hear or who may change their minds and embrace GOD and get to know HIM as I do or even better.
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There could, indeed, be a need for a flood to accomplish the described purposes in the story, but those same purposes could also have been accomplished by a local flood or even a STORY about a flood, since the purpose is in conveying a message about God and Mankind.
__________________ In matters that are obscure and far beyond our vision, even in such as we may find treated in Holy Scripture, different Interpretations are sometimes possible without prejudice to the faith we have received. - St. Augustine, in his analysis of Genesis.
There could, indeed, be a need for a flood to accomplish the described purposes in the story, but those same purposes could also have been accomplished by a local flood or even a STORY about a flood, since the purpose is in conveying a message about God and Mankind.
A story about a flood does not include the decendent of a real SON of GOD.
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