But a Christian can commit murder and still be saved.
There is no such thing as a Christian murderer (or Christian rapist, Christian liar, etc.). You are either one or the other. One can repent and be saved, but no one is saved that is a murderer. Revelation 21:8 says, "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."
I think something important emerges out of this thread: Believers need true discernment from God. I am sure Hitler did not seem like a complete madman at first. Rather, he used patriotism and religious imagery (and other things) to fool a very large number of people. We cannot discern things correctly with only the mind and "research." We must have true discernment from the Holy Spirit to avoid being bamboozled.
In general, we generally see patriotism as a good thing. But there is another side. It can be used to sidetrack believers and eventually fool us. As the very wise Samuel Johnson said a long time ago, "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."
hitler was in the occults, his parents were Catholic, hitler used religion, at the Nuremberg trials it was revealed hitler planned to exterminate Christianity eventually.
hitler was possesed
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2 Chronicles 16:9 For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to show himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward Him.
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I think something important emerges out of this thread: Believers need true discernment from God. I am sure Hitler did not seem like a complete madman at first. Rather, he used patriotism and religious imagery (and other things) to fool a very large number of people. We cannot discern things correctly with only the mind and "research." We must have true discernment from the Holy Spirit to avoid being bamboozled.
In general, we generally see patriotism as a good thing. But there is another side. It can be used to sidetrack believers and eventually fool us. As the very wise Samuel Johnson said a long time ago, "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."
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2 Chronicles 16:9 For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to show himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward Him.
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There is no such thing as a Christian murderer (or Christian rapist, Christian liar, etc.). You are either one or the other. One can repent and be saved, but no one is saved that is a murderer. Revelation 21:8 says, "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."
Are you saying that you have never told a lie or have never been fearful?
Because the straightforward implication of your interpretation of Rev. 21.8 is that no-one who lies is a Christian, and no-one who experiences fear is a Christian. Do you believe it?
Regards,
Benjamin
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