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28th May 2004, 12:29 AM
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Romans 8:21-22
Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. [22] For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
Why is it that evolutionary theory never seems to take into consideration that the world we live in, is a fallen world. This world is not the way God created it to be, or intended it to be. Yet God does have a plan and all of creation will be restored to God purpose and His intention. Yet evolutionary theory never seems to take this simple truth, into consideration. |
28th May 2004, 12:49 AM
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Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. [22] For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
Why is it that evolutionary theory never seems to take into consideration that the world we live in, is a fallen world. This world is not the way God created it to be, or intended it to be. Yet God does have a plan and all of creation will be restored to God purpose and His intention. Yet evolutionary theory never seems to take this simple truth, into consideration.
I don't understand why the theory of evolution needs to take it into account. I think it is a theological, not a scientific issue.
Because it is a theological issue, I do understand and most heartily agree that Christians should take it into account, especially in light of the fact that the sixth great extinction of species is our doing. How do Christians who are not active in the fight to save the environment face God's judgment? Was not the care of nature the first or second commandment God gave to humanity (depending on which creation story you are reading)? Gen. 1:28, 2:15
It is really distressing that it is countries with the strongest Christian culture which are in the forefront of the destruction of species. Those of us who claim to be followers of Jesus have a lot to answer for how we have discharged the stewardship of creation.  |
28th May 2004, 12:52 AM
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28th May 2004, 01:02 AM
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Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. [22] For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
Why is it that evolutionary theory never seems to take into consideration that the world we live in, is a fallen world. This world is not the way God created it to be, or intended it to be. Yet God does have a plan and all of creation will be restored to God purpose and His intention. Yet evolutionary theory never seems to take this simple truth, into consideration.
Whether or not it is a truth is unknown; it is a religious belief. It is not in evidence; science cannot thus take it into consideration.
That was easy.
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28th May 2004, 01:12 AM
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Reps: 2,470 (power: 17) | | Originally Posted by JohnR7 Why is it that evolutionary theory never seems to take into consideration that the world we live in, is a fallen world. This world is not the way God created it to be, or intended it to be. Yet God does have a plan and all of creation will be restored to God purpose and His intention. Yet evolutionary theory never seems to take this simple truth, into consideration.
Because: 1) There isn't any other empirical evidence that suggests an ancient "perfect," unfallen world; 2) No one knows what such a world would look like in any case.
Question. What would be different about evolution if it did take into consideration a world that no longer exists?
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28th May 2004, 01:12 AM
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That was easy.
uuummm.scientist cant prove evolution either,that is also just a theory.
A theory they like to use so they dont have to use all that bible stuff humanist are so against.
By the way if we evolved from apes,why are apes still around?Mybe they were the smart ones huh? |
28th May 2004, 01:18 AM
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28th May 2004, 01:26 AM
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Reps: 12,682 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by gluadys Those of us who claim to be followers of Jesus have a lot to answer for how we have discharged the stewardship of creation.
In Rev. 11:18 we read that those who destroy the earth will be destroyed. |
28th May 2004, 01:37 AM
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Reps: 52,404 (power: 64) | | Originally Posted by brinley45cal uuummm.scientist cant prove evolution either,that is also just a theory.
A theory they like to use so they dont have to use all that bible stuff humanist are so against.
By the way if we evolved from apes,why are apes still around?Mybe they were the smart ones huh?
I really suggest that before you begin to participate in this forum, you at least learn SOMETHING about (a) science and (b) evolutionary theory. Otherwise I am afraid you will again make a post like the above, which only makes you look ignorant.
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28th May 2004, 01:52 AM
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Reps: 707,915,860,213,609 (power: 707,915,860,224) | | Originally Posted by brinley45cal By the way if we evolved from apes,why are apes still around?Mybe they were the smart ones huh?
Why wouldn't they still be around? Did your parents and all your cousins die when you were born?
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