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Unread 16th February 2008, 02:14 PM
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Ethnic Stereotyping and Slurs

Moriah has a good friend what bes German and one day introduced him to its circle at the time. And they decides they don't likes him because he bes German AND liked listening to the band Joy Division. They claimed that made him a "Nazi" and they refused to hang out with us anymore because we bes friends with a "Nazi".

Nevermind that Moriah's friend DID have a childhood fascination with Hitler -- many disaffected teens go there or to similar places -- fact remains he bes no "Nazi", never espoused any sentiments like that and Moriah known him all his life. A pothead he could certainly be accused of being! But not a "Nazi".

Thing being though, they ONLY harassed him like this because he bes German. Had he been French or Mexican or African-American they would never have considered him a "Nazi" just for liking Joy Division's music.

Bes there any truth to negative ethnic stereotypes, though? Where do they originate from? Bes they a combination of traits-patterning with "seeing in the worst light" of prejudice? Or bes they pure hostile inventions? Or what?

Would it EVER be justified to consider someone to be fulfilling that type of negative stereotype? What if, for example, someone of a particular ethnic background expressed sentiments or ideals completely in keeping with some negative "stereotype" associated with that background?
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love will tear us apart...

The whole "Nazi" label is overused. It has become an insult and functions as a way to villify one... I don't see why liking Joy Division makes one a Nazi... or for that matter, any other band. Siouxsie had to write the pro-Jewish song "Israel" to "prove" she wasn't a Nazi (she got accused of being both a Nazi and a Satanist back in the day, neither of which were true).

I like Joy Division & I think my political leanings are practically opposite Nazism.
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If anyone here's ever seen a cartoon called "The Boondocks," they should be familiar my views on this matter. No group of people is bound by the stereotypes associated with them, but if they so choose, they can most certainly act in a way that conforms to, and thus promotes a given stereotype. Their behavior reflects poorly on their entire group.
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Good point, Gukkor. So what do you think -- would someone of a particular "ethnic" heritage thus have a greater responsibility to avoid the near-occasions of feeding a stereotype and thus reflecting poorly upon his or her "people-group" as a result?

Have to admit as much as it has been lifelong dedicated strongly to the eradication of stereotypes and refusal to participate in racism or bigotry of any sort, it had an experience recently it found chilling. On another website, a person living in Germany (thus ostensibly presumed to be of German descent) posted a severely tasteless joke with a 'punch line' referencing Jewish people numbering nearly two dozen as fitting into a car ashtray. Now granted, coming from anyone this "joke" would have been in severely poor taste. But coming from a person with a German background -- again, as much as Moriah despises stereotyping and strives not to contribute to it or to racial prejudices -- honestly, this one found it just CHILLING on top of tasteless.

And it wagers her "Joy Division loving" friend would agree. Provided he bes not stoned.
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Apropos of nothing WHY do ppls assume Satanism and Nazism go hand in hand ... they do not ....
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Bes there any truth to negative ethnic stereotypes, though? Where do they originate from? Bes they a combination of traits-patterning with "seeing in the worst light" of prejudice? Or bes they pure hostile inventions? Or what?

Would it EVER be justified to consider someone to be fulfilling that type of negative stereotype? What if, for example, someone of a particular ethnic background expressed sentiments or ideals completely in keeping with some negative "stereotype" associated with that background?
I think negative stereotypes originate from a few bad apples, and some people associate them with people who they think fit that mold regardless of whether or not they actually do. Generally people of certian races are more likely to be associated with certian stereotypes, like a German to a nazi or a Mexican to an illegal immigrant. I think the only possible exception where it might not be wrong would be in a few rare cases, for example, saying someone who held membership in a neo-nazi organization and expressed the belief that Hitler was right to kill the Jews was a "nazi", because it would be a statement of fact, not a stereotype. Although I suppose that means it's not a stereotype anymore...

On the whole though, stereotypes are overused and hurtful. I've known two German exchange students, they were both really nice people, and the word "nazi" never even entered my mind when thinking of them.
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Just like it would not have entered Moriah's mind for her long-time friend, either. (Or for the 2 exchange students IT met many years ago, or just about anyone else.)

Although it occurs now to Moriah perhaps by posting that stupid tasteless joke that other person bes trying to bait ppls into making that comparison so they could go off on them for thinking "such a thing" when in reality they'd invited the comparison in the first place. Would not put it past some, really, to pull a stunt like that ...

Honestly, what personal satisfaction some people derive from being noisome tarbabies, it cannot fathom.
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I have concerns about anyone, regardless of ethnicity, who says positive things about a totalitarian ideology (ANY totalitarian ideology -- Communist, Nazi, Fascist, Islamist, etc. -- I have no tolerance for any of them). I think those concerns are very legitimate, since I think the whole totalitarian concept is pure evil, one of Satan's nastier plots against humanity. But I have the good sense not to judge someone about it until I'm sure they really believe that stuff.
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Totalitarianism brings out what bes BEST in humanity though Izdaari. Would you then say I have no place in the Universe?
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Totalitarianism brings out what bes BEST in humanity though Izdaari. Would you then say I have no place in the Universe?
Moriah, I think you're wonderful! But I've never perceived you as a totalitarian, just somebody who's had an unusual and very tough life. It seems to have given you wisdom and insights that most of us don't have. I don't doubt that totalitarianism can be used for good, since God is able to use anything for good. And yes, I know of many, many cases where having to struggle against totalitarianism has brought out the best in humanity. Satan must find that very frustrating, the way even his best schemes are turned against him.
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