The Reformed room Bible study

LynneClomina · #11 27th May 2004, 07:16 PM

heb. 2:13And again:

"I will put My trust in Him."[4]

And again:

"Here am I and the children whom God has given Me."

God gave us over to Christ as the "father" or "head of household" of His church...

could it be... by the fall we were cast out of the Fathers house, but with Christ, we are adopted into the family of which Christ is head?

so we have two Fathers...?

LynneClomina · #12 27th May 2004, 07:25 PM

2 Kings 4
Elisha Raises the Shunammite's Son
(1) 8 Now it happened one day that Elisha went to Shunem, where there was a notable woman, and she persuaded him to eat some food. So it was, as often as he passed by, he would turn in there to eat some food. 9And she said to her husband, "Look now, I know that this is a holy man of God, who passes by us regularly. 10Please, let us make a small upper room on the wall; and let us put a bed for him there, and a table and a chair and a lampstand; so it will be, whenever he comes to us, he can turn in there."
11And it happened one day that he came there, and he turned in to the upper room and lay down there. 12Then he said to Gehazi his servant, "Call this Shunammite woman." When he had called her, she stood before him. 13And he said to him, "Say now to her, "Look, you have been concerned for us with all this care. What can I do for you? Do you want me to speak on your behalf to the king or to the commander of the army?"'
She answered, "I dwell among my own people."
14So he said, "What then is to be done for her?"
And Gehazi answered, "Actually, she has no son, and her husband is old."
15So he said, "Call her." When he had called her, she stood in the doorway. 16Then he said, "About this time next year you shall embrace a son."
And she said, "No, my lord. Man of God, do not lie to your maidservant!"
17But the woman conceived, and bore a son when the appointed time had come, of which Elisha had told her.
18And the child grew. Now it happened one day that he went out to his father, to the reapers. 19And he said to his father, "My head, my head!"
So he said to a servant, "Carry him to his mother." 20When he had taken him and brought him to his mother, he sat on her knees till noon, and then died. 21And she went up and laid him on the bed of the man of God, shut the door upon him, and went out. 22Then she called to her husband, and said, "Please send me one of the young men and one of the donkeys, that I may run to the man of God and come back."
23So he said, "Why are you going to him today? It is neither the New Moon nor the Sabbath."
And she said, "It is well." 24Then she saddled a donkey, and said to her servant, "Drive, and go forward; do not slacken the pace for me unless I tell you." 25And so she departed, and went to the man of God at Mount Carmel.
So it was, when the man of God saw her afar off, that he said to his servant Gehazi, "Look, the Shunammite woman! 26Please run now to meet her, and say to her, "Is it well with you? Is it well with your husband? Is it well with the child?"'
And she answered, "It is well." 27Now when she came to the man of God at the hill, she caught him by the feet, but Gehazi came near to push her away. But the man of God said, "Let her alone; for her soul is in deep distress, and the LORD has hidden it from me, and has not told me."
28So she said, "Did I ask a son of my lord? Did I not say, "Do not deceive me'?"
29Then he said to Gehazi, "Get yourself ready, and take my staff in your hand, and be on your way. If you meet anyone, do not greet him; and if anyone greets you, do not answer him; but lay my staff on the face of the child."
30And the mother of the child said, "As the LORD lives, and as your soul lives, I will not leave you." So he arose and followed her. 31Now Gehazi went on ahead of them, and laid the staff on the face of the child; but there was neither voice nor hearing. Therefore he went back to meet him, and told him, saying, "The child has not awakened."
32When Elisha came into the house, there was the child, lying dead on his bed. 33He went in therefore, shut the door behind the two of them, and prayed to the LORD. 34And he went up and lay on the child, and put his mouth on his mouth, his eyes on his eyes, and his hands on his hands; and he stretched himself out on the child, and the flesh of the child became warm. 35He returned and walked back and forth in the house, and again went up and stretched himself out on him; then the child sneezed seven times, and the child opened his eyes. 36And he called Gehazi and said, "Call this Shunammite woman." So he called her. And when she came in to him, he said, "Pick up your son." 37So she went in, fell at his feet, and bowed to the ground; then she picked up her son and went out.

i found this very powerful. grasping the promises of God....

CCWoody · #13 28th May 2004, 11:21 AM

Regarding the Geneva note about Jesus being the Father in the next world, I'm not quite sure what to make of it. We have certainly seen the damage that can be done by taking a doctrine like this and running with it. There is this whole pseudo-Christian group who claims advancement in the "priesthood" to the point that some of them will eventually be gods.

And, yes, we who are faithful do cherish the promises of the Lord.

Psalms 119:167 GB
(167) My soule hath kept thy testimonies: for I loue them exceedingly.

I'm a bit tied up today (it's what happens when I am in the middle of a new technology design), but hopefully I'll be able to squeeze in some time to format a little Spurgeon and make a comment or two.

HarleyD · #14 28th May 2004, 09:34 PM

Hi Reformers.

For those of you who don't know me I've been a Christian for over 30+ years but only a Reformer for the last year.

I became a Reformer when I heard a message about the God's sovereignty. Something I never heard in the churches I've attended.

It is no small thing that there are three major events in my life; when God revealed Himself to me, when I was baptized, and when I discovered I was elected. May I bring glory to His name. (and hopefully I'll figure out how to use this site soon.

)

HarleyD

rnmomof7 · #15 28th May 2004, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by CCWoody

From the OT lesson from Morning prayer May 27.

Aren't children innocent and aren't we suppose to be converted and be like them? At least, this is what my Methodist brethren insist. Why then would the name of the Lord be stained with innocent blood, over nothing more than an insult that Elisha is bald?

2 Kings 2:23-24 GB
(23) And he went up from thence unto Beth-el. And as he was going up the way, little children came out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Come up, thou bald head, come up, thou bald head.
(24) And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed (n) them in the name of the Lord. And two bears came out of the forest, and tare in pieces two and forty children of them.

(Geneva)
(n) Perceiving their malicious heart against the Lord and his word, he asks God to avenge the injury done to him.

Thanks Woody that is more ammunition in the age of accountability Debate.

I always use the flood and sodom...this is more direct

rnmomof7 · #16 28th May 2004, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by HarleyD

Hi Reformers.

For those of you who don't know me I've been a Christian for over 30+ years but only a Reformer for the last year. I became a Reformer when I heard a message about the God's sovereignty. Something I never heard in the churches I've attended.

It is no small thing that there are three major events in my life; when God revealed Himself to me, when I was baptized, and when I discovered I was elected. May I bring glory to His name. (and hopefully I'll figure out how to use this site soon. )

HarleyD

Hey Harley , I am glad you found your way here from FR

CCWoody · #17 31st May 2004, 12:31 AM

Now that we are back online, here is a part of the last Spurgeon sermon I sent by email. If anyone wants to receive them, please PM me an email address and I will add you.

PERSONAL AND EFFECTUAL CALLING..

NO. 2359

A SERMON INTENDED FOR READING ON LORD’S DAY, MAY 6TH, 1894,

DELIVERED BY C. H. SPURGEON,

AT THE METROPOLITAN TABERNACLE, NEWINGTON.

ON LORD’S-DAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 26TH, 1888.

<B>“He calleth his own sheep by Name, and leadeth them out.” — John 10:3

</B>

F YOU were near an Eastern village, you would probably see a large square, walled about with stones rolled roughly one upon another. You would also see a gate, and perhaps more than one entrance into this enclosure. The square is empty through the day; for the flocks have gone into the neighboring pastures; but, towards evening, at certain seasons of the year, all the shepherds bring their flocks to these enclosures, and there they are shut in for the night all together. One man has but a few sheep, and another man has only a few sheep, while the more wealthy owner has larger flocks; but all are enclosed in what I will call the parish fold. Now the morning comes; the sun is up early, and so is the shepherd. The porter is at the door, and he recognizes the various sheep-owners as they come down to the sheepfold to fetch their flocks. One shepherd comes, and he takes away his little company; another shepherd arrives, and he leads away a larger number. In each case, the shepherd has no trouble in separating his own sheep from the rest in the fold. You and I would think it well nigh impossible, and we certainly should never be able to divide those differing flocks; but the shepherd does it easily as soon as ever he comes to the door of the fold. There are certain of his sheep that love him much, they are accustomed to keep very near his hand, and often get the sweetest bits of grass, and they leap up at the very sound of his footsteps. They recognize his person, and they come straightway to the gate, and are ready at once to go out to the pastures with him. Some others, I am afraid the larger part of the flocks, are not quite so eager; but the shepherd speaks, and they recognize his voice; and when he proceeds to name the sheep one by one, for this the Eastern shepherd literally does, and when he begins to call them out by name, you can see the fleecy creatures recognizing the tones of his voice, and responding to his call as readily as dogs with us know their master’s voice and their own names. The sheep thus called push their way from among the different flocks, and they come out, and follow their shepherd, who leads them to the pastures that he has provided or discovered for them.

Now, that is exactly what the good Shepherd does with his sheep. He comes to the door of the fold. Here we are, to-night, like so many sheep in the enclosure. I cannot tell who among you may be Christ’s sheep, or who may not be his. Thy voice has no power to separate you from your companions, unless Christ shall use my voice, and make it the echo of his own. I may speak as long as I will, apart from that great Shepherd of the sheep, but I can make no distinction between his chosen ones and the rest of mankind; but if the Lord himself shall come and call, his chosen shall detect the gracious voice; and when one by one he calls them to himself by what theologians term “effectual calling” — (and it is a good expression, for it is effectual calling), then the sheep hear his voice, and they rise up at once, and follow him, for they know his voice, and he leads them out.

I am going to speak upon this text, viewing it from three points.

I.

The first point is that JESUS, THE GOOD SHEPHERD, OFTEN COMES INTO CONTACT WITH HIS SHEEP.

He has bought them, he has paid the full price of their redemption, he has laid down his life for his sheep, so that they are effectually ransomed; and he has gone up to heaven to plead for them, and to present before his Father the memorials of his death. Yet he is still with them, according to his word, “Lo, I am with you alway.” He has not left his sheep here below simply to the care of undershepherds, much less are they in charge of hirelings. He has his under-shepherds, but he is with them, and he still comes to his flock, he still calls his sheep by name, he still leads them out. Let us think of the various ways in which the good Shepherd still comes into contact with his sheep.

He came into contact with us, first, in our conversion. He had come to us before by the many pleadings of his Spirit, and the many entreaties of his love, in the days of our youth, and in years gone by; but we did not then know his voice. Our ear was not open then, and we did not hear his call. He went after us into the wilderness, he sought us on the mountain steeps; but it was, for a time, a weary seeking, and little came of it. Then, on a day never to be forgotten, he came with his effectual grace; I say, He came. Mother had come, teacher had come, pastor had come, books had come, sermons had come; but last of all He himself came. Do you remember his coming? I can never forget the spot where first he met with me; and the tones of his voice, when at last he won my heart, are ringing as clearly in my ears to-night as though they were the marriage-bells of yesterday. I can never forget how that call sounded, “Look! Look! Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth.” Then I knew his voice, and responded to it, through his own rich grace; and I was his, and he was mine. It needed that he should do the wooing for himself, and should unveil his own dear face, and then my heart was won, and my spirit yielded itself entirely to him. You remember how it happened to you also, do you not? Think of it with joy and gratitude.

CCWoody · #18 1st June 2004, 10:52 AM

Well, good morning. Some of you may have noticed that the nice yellow marker for the current date is missing. If you really miss it, you can find it on May 1st. Hopefully, today, I can get it fixed. And, hopefully, Erwin will quit playing around adding new features or whatever is going on and the website will be stable again. Next thing you know he too will have the yellow marker in the wrong month. Programmers!?!

Amillennialism in 6 easy verses

(revisited with additional verses)

John 5:24-29 GB

(24) Verely, verely I say vnto you, he that heareth my worde, and beleeueth him that sent me, hath euerlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation, but hath passed from death vnto life.
(25) Verely, verely I say vnto you, the houre shall come, and now is, when the dead shall heare the voyce of the Sonne of God: and they that heare it, shall liue.
(26) For as the Father hath life in himselfe, so likewise hath he giuen to the Sonne to haue life in himselfe,
(27) And hath giuen him power also to execute iudgement, in that he is the Sonne of man.
(28) Marueile not at this: for the houre shall come, in the which all that are in the graues, shall heare his voyce.
(29) And they shall come foorth, that haue done good, vnto ye resurrection of life: but they that haue done euil, vnto the resurrection of condemnation.

John 11:23-26 GB

(23) Iesus said vnto her, Thy brother shall rise againe.
(24) Martha said vnto him, I know that he shall rise againe in the resurrection at the last day.
(25) Iesus saide vnto her, I am the resurrection and the life: he that beleeueth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he liue.
(26) And whosoeuer liueth, and beleeueth in me, shall neuer die: Beleeuest thou this?

CCWoody · #19 1st June 2004, 10:57 AM

Lynne, lass, tell me you did receive the Spurgeon mail last week. I was going to ask several days ago, but I kept having difficulty reaching this website.

LynneClomina · #20 1st June 2004, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by CCWoody

Lynne, lass, tell me you did receive the Spurgeon mail last week. I was going to ask several days ago, but I kept having difficulty reaching this website.

"Personal and Effectual Calling"? yep, got it.