If it were the other way around, people would sympathize with the culprit.
This bastard who shot the poor kid should be thrown in prison for life, yes. But, If a gay kid was harassed and decided to shoot a hetero, white male in the head there would be less venom directed towards the perp'.
sad, but you're probably right
the thing is, no one teaches kids that taking a gun to someone is NOT a solution, but in fact, and end to two lives...
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I kinda have a connection to this story -- the victim's mother is a member of another online group I belong to.
Whether or not her son was gay, the other boy had no right to take his life. Was it a "hate crime"? I don't know. Maybe the other kid is gay as well, but hasn't come out yet and was either afraid of being outed or ticked because the victim wouldn't go out with him.
Should he be tried as an adult for the shooting? Absolutely! At that age he knows full well what the outcome of his action is and he should be held as responsible as any adult who would do the same thing.
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Whether or not her son was gay, the other boy had no right to take his life. Was it a "hate crime"? I don't know. Maybe the other kid is gay as well, but hasn't come out yet and was either afraid of being outed or ticked because the victim wouldn't go out with him.
Interesting point.
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This story is total speculation. The LA Times is going out of it's way to paint this as a hate crime. While the victim certainly appears to have acted in several bizarre ways, there is no evidence it was a crime motivated by a gay student's behavior. Classmates describe the victim's odd behavior and the fact that it "creeped out" other guys, which is understandable. But to leap to the conclusion that his behavior led to his murder based on the emotional reaction other guys had to that behavior is as much prejudice on the part of the Times as is the reaction alleged to be exhibited on the part of those other boys.
The paper is in effect saying, "He acted gay and said he was gay, so the fact there was an argument the day before (which must have been because he acts and says he's gay) might be what got him killed." None of those statements can be taken as fact. The paper is completely outside the bounds of responsible journalism is publishing this crap.
Look at all the qualifiers in that sentence. Since when do we allow a media outlet to describe the motive, means and method of a crime when there is no supporting evidence or confirmation of those speculations by the investigators? I thought that was the job of the police department and the prosecutors. This is "yellow journalism" at it's absolute modern worst.
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This story is total speculation. The LA Times is going out of it's way to paint this as a hate crime. While the victim certainly appears to have acted in several bizarre ways, there is no evidence it was a crime motivated by a gay student's behavior. Classmates describe the victim's odd behavior and the fact that it "creeped out" other guys, which is understandable. But to leap to the conclusion that his behavior led to his murder based on the emotional reaction other guys had to that behavior is as much prejudice on the part of the Times as is the reaction alleged to be exhibited on the part of those other boys.
The paper is in effect saying, "He acted gay and said he was gay, so the fact there was an argument the day before (which must have been because he acts and says he's gay) might be what got him killed." None of those statements can be taken as fact. The paper is completely outside the bounds of responsible journalism is publishing this crap.
Look at all the qualifiers in that sentence. Since when do we allow a media outlet to describe the motive, means and method of a crime when there is no supporting evidence or confirmation of those speculations by the investigators? I thought that was the job of the police department and the prosecutors. This is "yellow journalism" at it's absolute modern worst.
That makes too much sense...
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to IisJustMe again.
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If the victim was gay and if the shooter didn't like him...
If he had a nuclear wepon we might...
Why talk of what ifs. There are so many varibles and intentions, that this thread is meaningless.
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So stick with what we do know -- student A had a gun in school and used it to shoot student B in the head resulting in the death of student B.
Should student A be charged and tried as a juvenile or an adult?
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I have a different take on the whole 'gay' aspect of the story. The LA Times is trying to drum up controversy. Hey get over it; controversy sells newspapers. However sensationalizing the victims sexual orientation only serves to justify the shooter's actions in the minds of anti-gay activists. As we have already seen a number of posters immediately jumped to the defense of the shooter. It implies that the "gay-panic" defense is alive and well in the minds of spiteful bigots. Since Matthew Shepard was killed that lame excuse has much less traction with juries than it did in the "Good ol Days" when you could beat and kill gay men with impugnity. BUT every lawyer still tries it anyway hoping the jurors' inheirent bigotry will override their common sense. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
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This story is total speculation. The LA Times is going out of it's way to paint this as a hate crime. While the victim certainly appears to have acted in several bizarre ways, there is no evidence it was a crime motivated by a gay student's behavior. Classmates describe the victim's odd behavior and the fact that it "creeped out" other guys, which is understandable. But to leap to the conclusion that his behavior led to his murder based on the emotional reaction other guys had to that behavior is as much prejudice on the part of the Times as is the reaction alleged to be exhibited on the part of those other boys.
The paper is in effect saying, "He acted gay and said he was gay, so the fact there was an argument the day before (which must have been because he acts and says he's gay) might be what got him killed." None of those statements can be taken as fact. The paper is completely outside the bounds of responsible journalism is publishing this crap.
Look at all the qualifiers in that sentence. Since when do we allow a media outlet to describe the motive, means and method of a crime when there is no supporting evidence or confirmation of those speculations by the investigators? I thought that was the job of the police department and the prosecutors. This is "yellow journalism" at it's absolute modern worst.
Yeah, I was kind of wondering myself how they came to all these conclusions so soon after the crime. Sensationalism sells papers I guess.
Yes because the actions of the strait kid were all of his doing.
No because it's a sin, if you believe the Bible on that. (I'm not defending the killer.)
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It's impossible to choose your sexual orientation.
Let me ask you this: What icecream do you prefer? Vanilla, Chocolate or Strawberry? Why do you prefer that flavor? Were you born with a gene that gives you that preference? The answer is no. Between being a newborn and 5 years old, you did a lot of things and were exposed to a lot of things that formed you, yet you hardly remember any of it. You don't remember why it is that you prefer one flavor of icecream over the other so you say that "you've always liked that flavor". That doesn't mean that you were born that way.
It's the same thing with many things in our lives, including sexual orientation.
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