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9th November 2003, 12:33 AM
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Since when is Jack Chick concerned with depicting reality?
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9th November 2003, 12:54 AM
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9th November 2003, 12:56 AM
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Your right, why should they fail a student when they get things wrong using bad facts and false statements, it should be the effort that counts, I mean, this is only college, not kindergarten where they actually require you to get your facts straight.  Originally Posted by ikester7579 Actually there's a few things wrong with that tract.
1) In most schools or colleges the teacher and students would have attacked the poor guy until he would have left the class.
2) Most teachers today would have sent him to the deans office for pushing religious beliefs.
3) The teacher would not have given up so easy.
4) The students would have mocked him relentlessly.
5) He may have been suspended or expelled(which has already happened in some schools).
6) The teacher would have made sure to fail the student regardless of how good his work was.
7) etc...
This tract is not a real world tract is the main problem in my opinion.
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9th November 2003, 03:18 AM
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Reps: 14,196,510,763,452 (power: 14,196,510,774) | | Originally Posted by notto And of course you can back up these baseless comments with actual 'real world' examples, right?
Please give a single documented example of a student being suspended or expelled for discussing their religious beliefs in a class. http://www.sullivan-county.com/w/suspended4.htm http://pub217.ezboard.com/ffreemanvs...picID=12.topic
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9th November 2003, 03:23 AM
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Reps: 34 (power: 0) | | | How does that justify "in MOST schools and colleges". ikester you sould make your claim more carefully. The schools and colleges I went to surely isn't like this. |
9th November 2003, 03:32 AM
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Reps: 16,712 (power: 43) | | Originally Posted by ikester7579 Actually there's a few things wrong with that tract.
I will let others deal with your post, but what is is important, is what is right. and what is right, is that chick and hovind are full of bull excrement.
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9th November 2003, 03:36 AM
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Notice that neither of those articles deal with students being punished for stating their religious beliefs in class. In fact, in the first example it seems like they wanted to have a creationist viewpoint in the class. |
9th November 2003, 03:42 AM
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what the heck is the big bang being discussed in biology for?
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9th November 2003, 04:28 AM
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Reps: 4,397 (power: 13) | | Originally Posted by Pete Harcoff Yep, Big Daddy's a classic. There's a pretty amusing parody of it floating around the web called Who's Your Daddy?.
Hmm. That link was interesting until it started ragging on the Bible. The thing is, those apparent contradictions (in the Bible) probably don't matter. Is there a single atheist present that would sign up for Christianity if every one of them were resolved to their satisfaction? I doubt it.
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9th November 2003, 04:29 AM
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Reps: 16,712 (power: 43) | | Originally Posted by Ben_Hur Hmm. That link was interesting until it started ragging on the Bible. The thing is, those apparent contradictions (in the Bible) probably don't matter. Is there a single atheist present that would sign up for Christianity if every one of them were resolved to their satisfaction? I doubt it.
if there are mistruths, treat them as irony.
to be honest I agree with you. it was good until later on in the article where the author got a bit ahead of himself and (potentially?) made the same mistake as those he was ridiculing.
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