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Old 8th November 2003, 02:47 PM
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Sorry, Yet Another Evolution Post!

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Being 15, a teenage Christian, and somewhat ignorant to most things scientific doesn't really put me in the best position to comment on evolution. I was wondering if there are actually any theories against evolution, and substantial evidence to back them up? Most people my age have been brought up to believe Darwin's theory of evolution through natural selection. I need more ammunition to fire at my Biology teacher to make my lessons more interesting, and to ensure that a Christian viewpoint is equally presented.

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Originally Posted by MurrayduPlessis
I was wondering if there are actually any theories against evolution, and substantial evidence to back them up?
Nope.
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Why do you think you need to attack evolution in order to present a "Christian viewpoint"?
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Unless you want to lie, there isnt a lot of evidence against evolution.
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The christian viewpoint is evolution.

To be more accurate though, Yes there are theories against evolution, but they have all been falsified. So no there are no valid theories against evolution.
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It just seems a little far fetched for my teenage mind that we all evolved from a single celled organism billions of years ago. I can understand that adaptation and survival of the fittest may cause a gradual change in a species over a very long time, but total change from one thing into a completely different thing is hard for me to comprehend.

Also, how is it possible for an organism with one chromosone, to evolve into an organism with 46?! I can understand the random mutation theory, but is it actually possible to gain more chromosones...I'm sure that some of you will point out that yes, there are people with downs syndrome i.e. they have an extra chromosone, but would other organisms with a similar sort of thing really be "the fittest" and would they be more likely to survive than the rest of their species?

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Originally Posted by MurrayduPlessis
I need more [size=2]ammunition to fire at my Biology teacher to make my lessons more interesting, and to ensure that a Christian viewpoint is equally presented.
Who told you that evolution conflicted with the Christian point of view? I have always viewed them as separate things entirely, each with no real bearing on the other.
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Originally Posted by MurrayduPlessis
It just seems a little far fetched for my teenage mind that we all evolved from a single celled organism billions of years ago. I can understand that adaptation and survival of the fittest may cause a gradual change in a species over a very long time, but total change from one thing into a completely different thing is hard for me to comprehend.

Also, how is it possible for an organism with one chromosone, to evolve into an organism with 46?! I can understand the random mutation theory, but is it actually possible to gain more chromosones...I'm sure that some of you will point out that yes, there are people with downs syndrome i.e. they have an extra chromosone, but would other organisms with a similar sort of thing really be "the fittest" and would they be more likely to survive than the rest of their species?

Murray

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I suggest you take a look at some of the other threads dealing with evolution. People like Lucaspa are amazingly knowledgable about the fine details of biological evolution, and backs up everything he says. He's scary smart with this stuff, but can bring it down to our mortal levels as well.

Evolution is a beautiful part of nature, like a majestic mountain range or the details of a snowflake. As scientific understanding of these natural phenomena do not conflict with Christianity, nor should a scientific understanding of biological diversity. The evidence is truely overwhelming in support of evolution, which is why it is considered a fact among by virtually all qualified scientists. Exactly HOW it happens is where the debate it.

Check it out with an open, but skeptical mind. Science wants and needs skepticism.

Check out this thread, and look back thru Lucaspa's posts:

http://www.christianforums.com/t67630

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Much of what Darwin wrote taps into his belief in God as the creator and his observation of that grand creation.

You should read some original Darwin.
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Originally Posted by MurrayduPlessis
It just seems a little far fetched for my teenage mind that we all evolved from a single celled organism billions of years ago. I can understand that adaptation and survival of the fittest may cause a gradual change in a species over a very long time, but total change from one thing into a completely different thing is hard for me to comprehend.
The thing to remember is that large scale changes are a cumulation of small-scale changes.

I made a diagram awhile back to illustrate the point: http://www.animecritic.com/_temp/mic...-evolution.jpg

In each "generation", the change from a lighter shade to a darker shade are small enough that they are barely noticeable. But the cumulative result of those changes is a larger overall change (from white to black).
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