Sorry, Yet Another Evolution Post!

notto · #41 8th November 2003, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by obediah001

Well ther are tons of books out there al you gots to do is buy'em & read'em or goto websites like drdino.com u will find the tons of infor & facts to keep u busys for a spell

I'm not talking about creationists interpretation and strawmen. What books on the scientific theory of evolution have YOU read. Anything by an actual biologist? "Dr." dino is simply a 'Dr.' of Christian Education and is not really qualified to provide materials on biology (and often confuses evolution with atheism as well).

obediah001 · #42 8th November 2003, 06:23 PM

U do not need to be a so called scientist to know science & Hovind has decimated every single proffessor which has ever dared to debate him. As for his presentations being false well that is to put it as nicely as I can utter nonsense to say something like that! diengenuous too & as said u evilotionists as u did against Hovind went to the old faithless ad hominen approach rather than refrence facts!

Arikay · #43 8th November 2003, 06:32 PM

Thanks, Obediah001, good post.

See, this is a great example of the danger of creationism.
as you see, our friend Obediah001 here has just Judged the Majority of christians as being false christians.

Originally Posted by obediah001

They are mutually exclusive Eviloution & Creation; yes U can be confused as I was once as a babe & actually held to a theistic evilotion position till i grew in understanding & now know it to be scientifically false & scvripturally untenable; in fact one can not truly understand the Word if they accept evilotion.

Mechanical Bliss · #44 8th November 2003, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by obediah001

U do not need to be a so called scientist to know science

True, but you do need to be intellectually honest. Hovind is not.

Hovind has decimated every single proffessor which has ever dared to debate him.

Verbal debates are not ideal for discussing something as detailed as science, nor do they determine truth. However, there are no truth in his claims. He proclaims victory by spitting out as many arguments as he can and then the opponent and then the opponent does not have enough time to address them all.

As for his presentations being false well that is to put it as nicely as I can utter nonsense to say something like that!

Can you really? Do you have any basis for this statement or are you just blindly stating it?

Here are several threads containing debunked arguments by Kent Hovind. After being debunked the posters who claimed that they were valid failed to address the rebuttals:

http://www.christianforums.com/t62440&highlight=Hovind
http://www.christianforums.com/t62830&highlight=Hovind
http://www.christianforums.com/t58353&highlight=Hovind
http://www.christianforums.com/t56221&highlight=Hovind
http://www.christianforums.com/t54797&highlight=Hovind
http://www.christianforums.com/t51019&highlight=Hovind

There are plenty more.

Feel free to pick out Hovind arguments and we'll shoot them down like clay pigeons. Just start a new thread.

diengenuous too & as said u evilotionists as u did against Hovind went to the old faithless ad hominen approach rather than refrence facts!

It's not an ad hominem attack to say that he has no science qualifications and has been caught being dishonest.

Arikay · #45 8th November 2003, 06:37 PM

Yep, take MBs advice. If you think his arguments are strong, post one in a new thread and find out. If you already know how weak they are, dont really bother.

obediah001 · #46 8th November 2003, 06:38 PM

debates are not ideal u say uh ha yeah not Ideal for evilotionists u mean; u guys like to obfuscate the simple facts to clould the understanding of the plain Truth in both science & scripture

Mike Flynn · #47 8th November 2003, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by obediah001

debates are not ideal u say uh ha yeah not Ideal for evilotionists u mean; u guys like to obfuscate the simple facts to clould the understanding of the plain Truth in both science & scripture

Again...passing judgements. If you are keen on obeying scripture, why are you intent to pass judgemtent? The only thing thats plain here is your ignorance in both theology and science so far. Sorry to be blunt, I mean no insult...its just based on the accusations you are making here.

notto · #48 8th November 2003, 06:42 PM

I guess I'm not going to get an answer as to whether obedia has actually read any mainstream scientific sources about evolution that were written by biologists.

You would think that when calling one an ivory tower intellectual who is a spawn of satan, you would have actually researched what they say instead of believing what others say about them (i.e. "Dr." Hovind).

Mechanical Bliss · #49 8th November 2003, 06:43 PM

No, I said "verbal debates" not debates in general. Written debates are ideal for science because they allow time to look up references and expound on ideas specifically. So why does Kent Hovind reject proposals to engage in written debates? Because written debates are not ideal for creationists. Creationists aren't able to appeal to nonsense, make unsubstantiated claims, or cover up their ignorance with charm.

Science however proves that young earth creationism is false, so you are wrong there.

obediah001 · #50 8th November 2003, 06:47 PM

Science in no way proves young earth creation to be false. I do however understand why u focus here as it is a death blow to evilotion THEORY. U know as well as I the masses who in America are now mostly illiterate or funtionally illiteate can not nor will they read these arguments which are truly a simple on as I have said before.