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8th November 2003, 02:19 PM
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A Parable:
Suppose a man walks up to you and says "I'm a billionaire."
You say "Prove it."
He says "ok", and he points across the street at a bank. "My money is in that bank there." (The bank is closed.)
You say "What does that prove?"
He says "Everyone knows banks have money in them"
You say "I know there is money in the bank, but why should I believe that it's YOUR money?"
"Because it's GREEN" he says.
"What else can you show me?"
He reaches in his pocket and pulls out a penny. "See -- I'm a billionaire."
You're still skeptical. 'What does that prove?', you ask.
"I'M A BILLIONAIRE" he states loudly (obviously annoyed that you would question him). He reaches in another pocket and pulls out another penny, "Do you believe me now?"
Evolution is an elaborate fairy tale propigated by atheists. They are hell bent on explaining away their Creator as if they could only disbelieve hard enough maybe they could make reality go away. (Sadly, some Christians have been cowed by the hype.)
Visit any forum and it doesnt take long to see atheists patting themselves on their backs for their superior rationality but resorting to argument ad hominem and changing the subject rather than confront the evidence.
Ostensibly this is an arguement about science, and atheists like to think all scientists believe in evolution. Science can only suggest possiblilities -- it can never give a reliable conclusion about origins. The question of origins is a question of history.
Christians have evidence to trump all human speculation about origins. We have an inerrant account from our Creator. All Truth leads to God and therefore all good science will lead to God.  |
8th November 2003, 02:21 PM
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8th November 2003, 02:22 PM
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It comes up here so much, I nearly forgot: evolution != atheism. But of course, you already knew that. |
8th November 2003, 02:25 PM
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A Parable:
Suppose a man walks up to you and says "I'm a billionaire."
You say "Prove it."
He says "ok", and he points across the street at a bank. "My money is in that bank there." (The bank is closed.)
You say "What does that prove?"
He says "Everyone knows banks have money in them"
You say "I know there is money in the bank, but why should I believe that it's YOUR money?"
"Because it's GREEN" he says.
"What else can you show me?"
He reaches in his pocket and pulls out a penny. "See -- I'm a billionaire."
You're still skeptical. 'What does that prove?', you ask.
"I'M A BILLIONAIRE" he states loudly (obviously annoyed that you would question him). He reaches in another pocket and pulls out another penny, "Do you believe me now?"
CreationISM is an elaborate fairy tale propigated by theists. They are hell bent on explaining their Creator as if they could only believe hard enough maybe they could make reality go away. (Sadly, some Christians have been cowed by the hype.)
Visit any forum and it doesnt take long to see theists patting themselves on their backs for their superior rationality but resorting to argument ad hominem and changing the subject rather than confronting the evidence.
Ostensibly this is an arguement about science, and theists like to think all True Christians (tm) believe in creationISM. Belief can only suggest possiblilities -- it can never give a reliable conclusion about origins. The question of origins is a question of history.
Scientists have evidence to trump all human speculation about origins. We have an inerrant account from our Creator. All Truth leads to God and therefore all good science will lead to God.
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8th November 2003, 02:26 PM
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Reps: 70 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by MartinM It comes up here so much, I nearly forgot: evolution != atheism. But of course, you already knew that. Evolution is the greatest engine of atheism ever invented. ~ William Provine The ancient seekers after truth differ from their modern successors in only one respect. It was permitted to them to suppose that supernatural forces were at work in the world-forces which could be perceived only by the eye of faith. The modern seeker refuses to accept any explanation which involves the action of a supernatural agent, even as a last resort. ~ Arthur Keith We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism. It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is an absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door. ~ Richard Lewontin
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8th November 2003, 02:27 PM
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This is all so, so sad.
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8th November 2003, 02:32 PM
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Oops. Nothing left. Now, how about some substantive arguments?
And stamp this on your forehead if you have to: evolution != atheism |
8th November 2003, 02:33 PM
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Reps: 9,311,669,886,675,212 (power: 9,311,669,886,693) | | Originally Posted by MartinM And stamp this on your forehead if you have to: evolution != atheism
Careful. He'll probably construe that to be the mark of the beast or something...
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Creationism has not made a single contribution to agriculture, medicine, conservation, forestry, pathology, or any other applied area of biology. Creationism has yielded no classifications, no biogeographies, no underlying mechanisms, no unifying concepts with which to study organisms or life. - Botanical Society of America's Statement on Evolution |
8th November 2003, 02:33 PM
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Oh, and no Dr.Dino material please  |
8th November 2003, 02:34 PM
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Reps: 5,365 (power: 27) | | Yep, and the earth is really flat, the space shuttle program is just an elaborate lie to make people resect atheist scientists so that they can peddle their obvious false germ theory, the geocentric model, General relativity and evolution.
Let me guess, this is a post and run.
Of course, im sure you have evidence to prove this right (more than a bunch of quotes like your site) so that you aren't getting close to that false witness thing, right? 
P.S. I love how you call that parable "evidence" on your site.
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