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29th November 2003, 03:28 PM
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Reps: 154 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by LorentzHA True points, but at least they are speaking from an educated point. My point is about the person who would argue the dogs cannot pass that without even knowing what a staph. infection is, only what they have heard one is!!!  True I went to a lawyer once who almost got me sued for accidentally deleting something in a contract when I was selling some property. But this does not mean I know more about law than he does.
I agree. Often though, one can also speak from an educated standpoint and still not be taken seriously.
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29th November 2003, 03:44 PM
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Reps: 154 (power: 0) | | | My latin phrase means about what we are talking about. Loosely translated, It means "cobbler, not above the sandal" which means that people should not discuss or criticize those things of which they know nothing. If you are an expert on sandals, then you can criticize how a sandal is painted, but not the painted leg above it. (this is kinda the story behind it)
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29th November 2003, 03:50 PM
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Reps: 307 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Chi_Cygni LorentzHA,
You have it right.
I also have got into science arguments on here by people who chime in and say they did a physics or engineering degree. I must admit I think some of them are not telling the truth.
The problem even with a degree is it doen't mean that much if you don't work in the field. I see on here a couple of pilots who claim this but last time I checked physics is not a requirement of flying a plane.
Especially in the United States a degree often means you only did some 40 or so semester hours in that major. That does not make you an expert. It should be looked upon as the first stepping stone if you plan to carry on with the subject. American college undergraduate physics (excepting the top schools) is not really more advanced than high school physics in some countries.
The people who scan a couple of web pages (of questionable origin) and then claim expertise are even more annoying.
Yes, getting a degree in something and then using it, is a whole other world, you are right about that. My husband's best friend is an Architect. The stories he tells, also about people who come in with their home drafting program drawings and THEN ask him to discount the price because they believed they helped!! He said he should charge more!
I was recently in a clothing store and the woman at the register asked me what I do. I told her I was in Medical School. She said, "Oh I went to Medical school, I worked for a Doctor taking blood pressures and temperatures for a while (sigh), I just got sick of it. Good luck how much loger do you have?" I said, "2 MORE years and then a 4 year residency." She said, "WHAT? My school was 6 months!" Sad, she actually thought that her program to be a Medical Assitant was MEDICAL SCHOOL! I debated with myself about letting her know, then I said to myself, forget it, and left with my purchases. She was friendly enough, but it is another glaring example of people not even bothering to stop and learn the facts. I have also had people say to me, "Yeah, I almost became a Doctor." (And they are now pumping gas, at a gas station???)....I respect people and their professions, but I think I am one of the few. The other thing is the use of the word PROFESSIONAL. It has been so basterdized. People now call themselves PROFESSIONAL pizza delivery people. sad.
I have the uttmost respect for Physicists. I would have much rather done that-BUT I know my limitations. The formula became way too complex at the higher levels, for me. It took me way too long to work. I love reading about it though, but would never walk into a Super collider sight and add my 2 cents. LOL!! Many Americans would though!! Or they would tell the Physicist this- "I used to do this but got tired of it." 
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29th November 2003, 03:52 PM
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Reps: 207 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Calvin Accusations, hatred, kill the messenger....it is so illuminating to see how truth brings out the best in people. Why such weeping and gnashing
of teeth, at least you are finding out now?
If all else fails claim victory. Wonderful theater Calvin...keep it coming. At the very least you are providing us with more evidence of the logically bankrupt arguments of typical YEC science 'pushers'.
I suppose I know why you don't answer my posts. It's would require to quote mine from material that doesn't exist. It would be nice to hear a plain and honest answer from you, however...minus all of the mind-numbing 'victory' cries. Originally Posted by Calvin All we keep discovering is God was right!
Thats true enough. At the same time we keep discovering that the Biblical literalists are wrong. Thanks for your help in showing so plainly the obvious contradictions that are part and parcel of creation science, BTW. Originally Posted by Calvin Anymore PROOFS?
I'm sure there are more to come. You can dodge more responses, post more out of context quotes, ignore the refutations, claim that we are attacking the messanger, and claim victory some more. Did I miss anything?
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29th November 2003, 03:57 PM
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Reps: 307 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by pureone I agree. Often though, one can also speak from an educated standpoint and still not be taken seriously.
True, but normally by those not familiar with the topic or by those who wish they were. People have a lot of false pride and do not want to believe anyrthing, especially if they are not familair with it. It is easier to become combative than admit ignorance. I have traveled quite a bit and did not see this attitude in Europe. People spoke very highly of professionals. My husband's friend, Dirk, said when he went to Italy and he told people he was an Architect, they were SO impressed. Here he said they say, "Yeah I know how to do that, I have a program I bought at Best Buy."
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29th November 2003, 03:57 PM
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Reps: 9,311,669,886,675,212 (power: 9,311,669,886,693) | | Originally Posted by LorentzHA Yes, getting a degree in something and then using it, is a whole other world, you are right about that. My husband's best friend is an Architect. The stories he tells, also about people who come in with their home drafting program drawings and THEN ask him to discount the price because they believed they helped!! He said he should charge more!
Hehe, reminds me of a cartoon in a web design book I read once:
Web Design - $50/hour
If you watch - $100/hour
If you help - $200/hour
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29th November 2003, 04:01 PM
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Reps: 307 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by pureone My latin phrase means about what we are talking about. Loosely translated, It means "cobbler, not above the sandal" which means that people should not discuss or criticize those things of which they know nothing. If you are an expert on sandals, then you can criticize how a sandal is painted, but not the painted leg above it. (this is kinda the story behind it)
I like this. I have a quote a friend has in her office that says: Mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself but talent recognizes talent.
Meaning mediocre people will flatly refuse to accept someone knows more, about anything. They want to believe everyone is like they are. (I guess it makes for more restfull sleep?)
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29th November 2003, 04:01 PM
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Reps: 154 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by LorentzHA True, but normally by those not famiiar with the topic or by those who wish they were. People have a lot of false pride and do not want to believe anyrthing, especially if they are not familair with it. It is eeasier to become combative than admit ignorance. I have traveled wuite a bit and did not see this attitude in Europe. People spoke very highly of professionals. My husbands frind, Dirk, said when he went to Italy and he told people he was an Architect they were SO impressed. Here he said they say, "Yeah I know how to do that, I have a program I bought at Best Buy."
I'd like to see these people build that house from the design program alone and without any help
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29th November 2003, 04:03 PM
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Reps: 307 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Pete Harcoff Hehe, reminds me of a cartoon in a web design book I read once:
Web Design - $50/hour
If you watch - $100/hour
If you help - $200/hour I like it, I am going to show Dirk this. He will probably hang it on a sign in his studio! Thanks
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29th November 2003, 04:08 PM
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Reps: 307 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by pureone I'd like to see these people build that house from the design program alone and without any help
Yeah that is what he was saying. He said they do not even know enough to be frightened of their ignorance. We are talking heavy structures here!! The other thing he compalins about is the contractors taking credit for the building like it was their design. He claims that is regional (Texas) though. He has told a few of them that he finds it interesting if you take sightseeing trips and they point out great buidings they name the Architect not the construction company . I thought that was good and so true! When I was in Illinois I went to see some Frank Llloyd Wright homes they ref. the homes as being by him NOT XYZ construction company. LOL
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