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Old 6th February 2008, 01:54 AM
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Satan knows about a pre-trib rapture

So, since 1947 we've had more and more "alien" stories and encounters and even our television and movies have more and more alien plots.

So, millions of people disappear and what will be the "official explanation"?

Satan appears to have been preparing it for at least 60 years. The Roswell incident supposedly resulted in "real aliens" coming to the earth but were allegedly "concealed" which sparked the worldwide imagination to the possibility.

That imagination has been fueled by stories of abductions, mankind's exploration of space, ufo sightings, tv and movies, and crop circles so that people are open to the possibility that we will be visited.

THink about all that is out there on tv that people just soak up:

Superman (movies and television)
X-files
Star Trek (movies and television)
Star Wars
Third Rock from the Sun
Mork and Mindy
ET
War of the Worlds
Close Encounters
Cocoon
Starman
Alien
Signs
Invasion of the Bodysnatchers (old and new)
Predator
Stargate (movie and tv)
Independence Day
Lilo and Stitch
Men in Black
The Thing
Starship Troopers
Fire in the Sky
Contact
My Favorite Martian
Twilight Zone
Outer Limits



There's so many....

And has anybody been keeping up with the photos that the Mars rover and the Cassini probe are beaming back?

My point is that people are (now more than ever) open to the possibility of something (aliens visiting earth with a cockamamie story) that was never mentioned in the Bible. And if the Bible never mentions it, then the world will see the Bible as a lie. People will believe something that is right in front of their eyes before they will believe in a God that you can't see but must have faith to believe in. You would have to know and love the truth in order to be able to say that what you see with your own eyes is a lie.

2Th 2:9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders,
2Th 2:10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
2Th 2:11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie
2Th 2:12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

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Add to that all the magic shows that are around today including old ones like bewitched and so forth ,plus all the violence and the dumbing down of the younger generation and Bingo!...you have a generation ready prepared to believe in just about anything.

Altho I don't think that a false rapture is at stake here as most young people today have no idea about what christmass and easter are about let alone any rapture.

Plus the rapture theory is believed by less than half of all christians and so I don't think Satan will target that.
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For others.....since Jen is so set in her ways...



Satan does know about a pre trib rapture theory, so he will use that in his great big lie....


imagine that he has already convinced you that Christ comes first....even if the Word of God says otherwise....



and since Satan actually coms first, guess whos camp you'll most likely be in?????



guess who will be so embarrassed when the real true Messiah comes, that they will want to die....or hide in the rocks and mountains for shame......



Christian and yet fooled...believer and yet fooled....imagine the scenario



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Satan knows about a pre-trib rapture

yeah he does,he is the one that created the lie.
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Well, obviously there is some sort of resurrection, change and "catching away" to meet the Lord in the air because 1 Thess 4:13-18 describes it. So, to suggest that it is unbiblical, a fantasy, a theory, or a lie is far from accurate.

So, now that we have established through 1 Thess 4:13-18 that the resurrection, change and "catching away" (aka "the rapture") is indeed Biblical truth, the only thing we disagree on is timing, right?


We are firstfruits. We are in Christ/Israel and are firstfruits. There is still a firstfruits harvest before the general harvest.

Christ is firstfruits.
The people who were raised when Christ rose are firstfruits.
We, who have made a covenant by sacrifice, who are consecrated by Jesus are firstfruits.

Tts 2:13 while we wait for the blessed hope–the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,
Tts 2:14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.



We will be gathered up and presented to God in the temple in Heaven as firstfruits of the harvest.

Jer 2:3Israel was holy to the Lord, the firstfruits of his harvest; all who devoured her were held guilty, and disaster overtook them,' " declares the Lord.

Rom 8:23Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.


Rom 11:16If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.


1Cr 15:23But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

Jam 1:18He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created.



Now, it's not about a "secret rapture" or "2 comings in one". It's simply an ingathering of the firstfruits which is prior to the general harvest when Jesus sends out the angels to pull up the weeds and leave the good to be brought into his barn.


You see?

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Zeke,

I detect some bitterness, brother. Focus on Jesus and the Scriptures. Don't lose your joy.

If you don't agree, then prove your point with scriptures.
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Furthermore, if Jesus promised that he'd one day come and take us to a place prepared in the Father's house, to which he was going, then why shouldn't we believe Him?

Jhn 14:2 In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you.
Jhn 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.


THAT hasn't happened yet.

The scriptures say that our citizenship is in heaven and the place prepared there is the New Jerusalem which comes down at the end of the millenium as "the bride" of Christ. So, when did we go?

Phl 3:20But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ,



Hbr 11:16Instead, they were longing for a better country-a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.



Hbr 12:22But you have come to Mount Zion, to the heavenly Jerusalem, the city of the living God. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly,


Rev 21:2I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
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Think about this, too...why all this alien stuff? Why now? Why did the Roswell incident allegedly happen two months after Israel became a nation again? Why not back in Biblical times or in the Dark ages?

"Just as it was in the days of Noah..." How was it?
Increase of wickedness and lawlessness because fallen angels had fallen and deceived people and taught mankind things that they should not have taught (Enoch 1).

[Chapter 6]
1 And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto 2 them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men 3 and beget us children.' And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not 4 indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.' And they all answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations 5 not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.' Then sware they all together and bound themselves 6 by mutual imprecations upon it. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn 7 and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And these are the names of their leaders: Samlazaz, their leader, Araklba, Rameel, Kokablel, Tamlel, Ramlel, Danel, Ezeqeel, Baraqijal, 8 Asael, Armaros, Batarel, Ananel, Zaqiel, Samsapeel, Satarel, Turel, Jomjael, Sariel. These are their chiefs of tens.
[Chapter 7]
1 And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms 2 and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they 3 became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed 4 all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against 5 them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and 6 fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.
[Chapter 8] 1 And Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all 2 colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they 3 were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjaza taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, 'Armaros the resolving of enchantments, Baraqijal (taught) astrology, Kokabel the constellations, Ezeqeel the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiel the signs of the earth, Shamsiel the signs of the sun, and Sariel the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven . . .


What's happening today?
"Root-cuttings" - cloning, hybrids, chimeras
"Astrology"
"Enchantments" - witchcraft, etc.


Has anyone ever stopped to think that maybe these alleged aliens are real - the creation of fallen angels who might have snatched some human DNA (during alleged abductions) and mixed it with something?

And if these "aliens" did make an appearance on earth as our "superhuman creators", proving their story with DNA, then all those who cling to the Bible will be considered crazy because the "proof" of their story will be right before everyone's eyes. People will leap on science and these "aliens" as gods, abandoning the God of the Bible, and imprisoning and killing those Christians who just won't let go of their "old way" of thinking.

It looks like the human race is being conditioned or prepared for "contact".
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