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Old 20th May 2004, 04:19 PM
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Baptist understanding of Mary

What is the Baptist understanding of Mary role in Salvation history? Does it effect Baptists understand the nature of Jesus and our relationship with Him?

Do Baptist believe Mary is the Mother of God?

Do Baptist believe in Mary's virginal conception and is Ever-virgin?

Do Baptists believe that God made Mary emaculate (Without orginal sin) in order to make the vessel of his only beggoten Son suitable for Him?

Do Baptists believe in the bodily Assumption of Mary, body and soul into Heaven (Like Elijah was)?
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Old 20th May 2004, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Cary.Melvin
What is the Baptist understanding of Mary role in Salvation history? Does it effect Baptists understand the nature of Jesus and our relationship with Him?

Do Baptist believe Mary is the Mother of God?

Do Baptist believe in Mary's virginal conception and is Ever-virgin?

Do Baptists believe that God made Mary emaculate (Without orginal sin) in order to make the vessel of his only beggoten Son suitable for Him?

Do Baptists believe in the bodily Assumption of Mary, body and soul into Heaven (Like Elijah was)?
Thanks,
We believe that Mary has nothing to do with salvation other than giving birth to the one who gives us salvation.

Yes we believe that Mary is the mother of Jesus.

We believe that Mary was a virgin when she had Jesus, but we believe that as a married woman, she was not a virgin for her whole life.

We do not believe that mary was without sin.

We do not believe in the bodily assumption of Mary.
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Old 20th May 2004, 04:55 PM
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jenptcfan nailed it. Thanks for asking! I'd just add a little... You know all this, so I hope you are not bringing debate to this room. Thanks for asking "do Baptists believe?" I trust that is the true intent of your post and you will abide by it.

What is the Baptist understanding of Mary role in Salvation history? Does it effect Baptists understand the nature of Jesus and our relationship with Him?
Mary has nothing to do with the gospel "delivered" or with Jesus' "obtaining eternal redemtion for us" (Hebrews). The epistles are silent on Mary. Galatians reveals that Paul had delivered and preached the gospel in its totality. Anyone adding to it, is accursed of God (Gal 1:1-12).

Do Baptist believe Mary is the Mother of God?
No. God has no mother. This was covered clearly in another thread. Why do you ask again? You know Baptists have historically rejected this doctrine.

Do Baptist believe in Mary's virginal conception and is Ever-virgin?
Yes. She conceived of the Holy Spirit and no, Joseph did not know her "until" she had given birth. Both the OT and the NT teach that Mary had other children. Baptists have historically taught this. Thanks for asking.

Do Baptists believe that God made Mary emaculate (Without orginal sin) in order to make the vessel of his only beggoten Son suitable for Him?
No. "My spirit rejoices in God my savior." She brought a sacrifice to the temple. "All have sinned and come short of the glory of God."

Do Baptists believe in the bodily Assumption of Mary, body and soul into Heaven (Like Elijah was)?
No. This recent doctrine is not accepted among Baptists. Honestly... you didn't know that?

Thanks
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Originally Posted by Cary.Melvin

Do Baptists believe that God made Mary emaculate (Without orginal sin) in order to make the vessel of his only beggoten Son suitable for Him?

Do Baptists believe in the bodily Assumption of Mary, body and soul into Heaven (Like Elijah was)?
Thanks,
Brother Carey

If you can show me in the scriptures where anyone born of woman except for Y'shua Hamoshiach walked the earth in a sinless life I will beleive that it was possible for Mirriam to have done this.

If you can show me that Miriam had been taken away bodily into heaven in the scriptures again I will beleive you but I see nothing mentioned in the bible of this event.

I do notice that Chanokh, Eliyahu and Y'shua had been taken bodily into the heavens but not Miriam.

I love to preach on Miriam and she does provide a beutiful example of godly obedience in the face of terrible odds. In the day she was betrothed to Yosef, to be pregnant out of wedlock was a sin worthy of death. She knew the law and chose obidience to the L-rd as he asked of her. That is a worthy thing. A blessed thing surely our sister Miriam was greatly blessed among women for this obidient act of love and sacrifice to Ha'Shem.

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PS Please remember they were Jewish not Greek nor Roman it makes a difference!
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Originally Posted by bleechers
No. God has no mother. This was covered clearly in another thread. Why do you ask again? You know Baptists have historically rejected this doctrine.
Are you saying that the Word did not become flesh (a real human)?
That the infant born of Mary was not God?
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We believe that Mary has nothing to do with salvation other than giving birth to the one who gives us salvation.
If I may ask a follow up

Do Baptists believe that Jesus received His humanity from Mary, or do they believe that she was just an empty vessel or vehicle to bring forth God the Word into the world ?

Thanks

P.S. I used to be Baptist and this was NEVER touched on so I am genuinely curious.
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Old 20th May 2004, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Nehemiah_Center
Brother Carey

If you can show me in the scriptures where anyone born of woman except for Y'shua Hamoshiach walked the earth in a sinless life I will beleive that it was possible for Mirriam to have done this.

If you can show me that Miriam had been taken away bodily into heaven in the scriptures again I will beleive you but I see nothing mentioned in the bible of this event.

I do notice that Chanokh, Eliyahu and Y'shua had been taken bodily into the heavens but not Miriam.

I love to preach on Miriam and she does provide a beutiful example of godly obedience in the face of terrible odds. In the day she was betrothed to Yosef, to be pregnant out of wedlock was a sin worthy of death. She knew the law and chose obidience to the L-rd as he asked of her. That is a worthy thing. A blessed thing surely our sister Miriam was greatly blessed among women for this obidient act of love and sacrifice to Ha'Shem.

Blessings

Pastor George

PS Please remember they were Jewish not Greek nor Roman it makes a difference!
You may not want to ask questions, it may prompt people to debate.

And why are you using those weird names, and leaving the "o" out of Lord?
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Originally Posted by KennySe
Are you saying that the Word did not become flesh (a real human)?
That the infant born of Mary was not God?
The infant born of Mary was not God the father, no. He was God the son.
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jenptcfan,

Kenny did not say God the Father, but God (the Word). However they are one in Essence.
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Originally Posted by Cary.Melvin
You may not want to ask questions, it may prompt people to debate.

And why are you using those weird names, and leaving the "o" out of
Lord?
Cary you can't expect any one to think you didn't come a askin with out
wanting a debate. You know what you are asking is straight up 100% RCC doctrine. But I am not going to debate you at all. I have said what I have said.

And as for those wierd names:
Kyrie Iesou Christe, Yie Tou Theo, Eleison me !

It is truly meet to bless thee O Theotokos, ever blessed and most pure and the Mother of our God. More honorable that the Cherubim, and more Glorious beyond compare than the Seraphim, without defilement thou gavest birth to God the Word, true Theotokos we magnify thee !


Wierder say than Greek?

They are the proper translitteration of the Hebrew names which is what these dear people were known by. I figured you probably did not read Hebrew so I used the Roman alphabit so as you could read it.

Respectfully the vowels are left out of the proper name of Ha'Shem that it might never be disgraced nor destroyed vainly. (I don't know you might get mad and delete this post)

Blessings

Don't forget you asked the question
no debating now!

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