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Old 3rd February 2008, 10:37 PM
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Did God really walk with Adam & Eve in the Garden?


They heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden.
Then the LORD God called to the man, and said to him, "Where are you?"
He said, "I heard the sound of You in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid myself."
And He said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?"
Genesis 3:9-11

Adam and Eve have just eaten the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. They hide from God because he is walking in the garden.

But, was he really walking in the Garden of Eden?



No one has seen God at any time; if we love one another, God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us.

1 John 4:12


No one has seen God at any time? How did Adam and Eve see God? It's fairly obvious to see that God walked in the Garden on a regular basis according to Genesis.

(EDIT: I'm really anxious to see the Creationists twist and bend around their orthodox view of Genesis 3 to save their beliefs.)
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Old 3rd February 2008, 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Scotishfury09 View Post

They heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden.
Then the LORD God called to the man, and said to him, "Where are you?"
He said, "I heard the sound of You in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid myself."
And He said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?"
Genesis 3:9-11

Adam and Eve have just eaten the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. They hide from God because he is walking in the garden.

But, was he really walking in the Garden of Eden?



No one has seen God at any time; if we love one another, God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us.

1 John 4:12


No one has seen God at any time? How did Adam and Eve see God? It's fairly obvious to see that God walked in the Garden on a regular basis according to Genesis.

(EDIT: I'm really anxious to see the Creationists twist and bend around their orthodox view of Genesis 3 to save their beliefs.)
This has nothing to do with creationism.

Adam is not included in the "no one".

You need to learn more on how to read.

If you have other intentions, good try, though. Try harder.
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Originally Posted by juvenissun View Post
Adam is not included in the "no one".
Why?
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Exactly, Gluadys. Why would "no one" really mean "no one except Adam"?
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It says, "they heard the sound of God walking in the garden", and, "they hid themselves from the presence of the Lord. It doesn't say they viewed God with their eyes.

However, God could have manifested himself as a human being, but this would not be the glorious spirit being that he actually is. No human can view the full reality of God and live to tell the tale (although Moses did see his backside). The glorified Christ can only be seen in vision or through spirit(ual) eyes. However as an incarnate human he certainly could be seen. I don't see a problem with God appearing to Adam and Eve in human form.

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Why?
When Adam saw God, he was not in this world.
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Originally Posted by oldwiseguy View Post
It says, "they heard the sound of God walking in the garden", and, "they hid themselves from the presence of the Lord. It doesn't say they viewed God with their eyes.
I like this one too. Thanks. (I think this one is better than mine)

And, in fact, I am not sure if I can see God Himself in the Heaven. I will see Jesus, which could be the visible identity of God.
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Originally Posted by juvenissun View Post
When Adam saw God, he was not in this world.
I don't agree with this statement, but accepting it for the sake of argument, I still ask "Why is Adam not included in 'no one'?" The statement doesn't say "No one in this world..." It just says "No one.."
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I don't agree with this statement, but accepting it for the sake of argument, I still ask "Why is Adam not included in 'no one'?" The statement doesn't say "No one in this world..." It just says "No one.."
You have to exclude Adam and Abraham, otherwise the rest of the Bible would be inconsistent with Genesis. Abraham was also visited by God, so he had to be excluded too. And Moses and the whole people of Israel also saw him in different manifestations.

Interestingly, in the later parts of the Bible God was indeed not seen anymore by anyone. And from a certain point on he was also not heard anymore, he stopped directly talking to humans. In the Hebrew Bible, the last human he directly talked to was Job. In the last books of the Hebrew Bible he also didn't interact anymore with human affairs, and the Hebrew book of Ester does not even mention God anymore.

So it seems God was a lot more active in the early days. The "no one" probably means "no one from now on".
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You have to exclude Adam and Abraham, otherwise the rest of the Bible would be inconsistent with Genesis. Abraham was also visited by God, so he had to be excluded too. And Moses and the whole people of Israel also saw him in different manifestations.

Interestingly, in the later parts of the Bible God was indeed not seen anymore by anyone. And from a certain point on he was also not heard anymore, he stopped directly talking to humans. In the Hebrew Bible, the last human he directly talked to was Job. In the last books of the Hebrew Bible he also didn't interact anymore with human affairs, and the Hebrew book of Ester does not even mention God anymore.

So it seems God was a lot more active in the early days. The "no one" probably means "no one from now on".
OK, so you are willing to ignore the "plain reading" of the text, and interpret it differently in order to make the text consistent with other parts of the Bible? Under that approach, the idea is that you start with the idea of absolute consistency within Scripture, then do whatever is necessary, even if it means ignoring, or twisting around the text to make it internally consistent.

Fine, but if you are willing to do that, why do so many Creationists get amazed and indignant when so many other Christians do something similar (but actually more rationally consistent) when they start with the presumption that Scripture is not inconsistent with science and that, if there SEEMS to be a conflict, then it is either with our reading of Scripture or our reading of the scientific evidence, and then find out how they must work together?
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