Question time. Jesus returns before or after 1000yrs

HisdaughterJen · #31 2nd February 2008, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by Tonks

More date setting...hasn't worked yet....folks been at it since Pentecost.

Prophetic...

2Pe 3:3 First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires.
2Pe 3:4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.”

To clarify...Tonks, I know you aren't scoffing at the idea of Jesus' coming, just at the idea that some are on the lookout.

MrSnow · #32 2nd February 2008, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

So you are saying He returns Twice? You share the Roman church's view then.

Give me your view of Who that is in Reve 19:11

Whoever else shares my view is inconsequential.

I think that my post that you quoted ought to have at least some of the answer to your question.

Originally Posted by MrSnow

I don't believe that Rev 20 necessarily happens chronologically after Rev 19. I don't think that ANY of Rev has to happen chronologically after any other part of Rev.

LittleLambofJesus · #33 2nd February 2008, 01:51 PM

Jesus will appear at any moment (since it is the morning of the 3rd day of 1000 years) to lead those who have been consecrated or who have washed their robes in the blood of the Lamb (believers in Christ) to Himself.

But in the meantime, let us all spread the Good-Message of JESUS and His Father to all the world focus on living In Him.

Matthew 24:6 "Ye shall be being about yet to be hearing battles and hearings of battles. Be seeing no be being alarmed; for it is binding to be becoming, but not as yet is The Finish/End/teloV <5056>
13 "The yet one enduring to a finish/end/teloV <5056>, this-one shall be being saved/swqhsetai <4982> (5701).
14 and shall be being proclaimed this, the Good-News of the Kingdom, in the habited-house/oikoumenh <3625>, into a Testimony to all the Nations; and then shall be arriving The Finish/End/teloV <5056>.

Reve 16:17 and the seventh one pours out the bowl of him upon the air and came out voice, great, out of the sanctuary from the throne saying :it-has-become/gegonen <1096> (5754).

Reve 21:6 And He said to me: "it-has-become/gegonen <1096> (5754). I am the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end. I, to the one thirsting, shall be giving out of the spring of the water of the life gratuitously.

saint2 · #34 2nd February 2008, 02:30 PM

No doubt in my mind, 1st he comes for the church, before the millennium.

1Thes 4:17
...we who are still alive will...meet the Lord in the air.

Then, it seems he comes later from either the north, the south, or the east ?

Job 37:22
Out of the north he comes in golden splendor; God comes in awesome majesty.

Deut 33:2
The LORD came from Sinai and dawned over them from Seir; he shone forth from Mount Paran. He came with myriads of holy ones from the south , from his mountain slopes.

Ezek 43:2
And I saw the glory of the God of Israel coming from the east...

When he gets here, I think his first stop is Mt Olives, then on to Mt Zion?

Zech 14:4
On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem....
Then the LORD God will come, and all the holy ones with him [to Mount Zion?]

Now is that one coming (Mt Olives), or is that two (Mt Zion)?

Ezekiel sees Shekinah coming from the east [Mt Olives ?] to Mt Zion (Ezek 43:2)

And he may come first in his own glory, and later in his Father's glory ?

Matt 25:31.
When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him,
he will sit upon his glorious throne, and all the nations will be assembled before him.

Matt 16:27.
For the Son of Man will come with his angels in his Father's glory,
and then he will repay everyone according to his conduct.

And his presence may not be visible to the world when he first comes?

Matt 24:26
...So if they say to you, 'He is in the desert", do not go there;
if they say, 'He is in the inner rooms', do not believe it".

Like his apparitions to his disciples (Mark 16:12, Luke 24:36, John 24:19).

We know he left in cloud of glory and will return in Cloud of Glory, the Shekinah.

Just as the Shekinah was with Israel for 1000 years [aprox 1600 BC to 600 BC]
and was rarely visible to them, so too will it be when the LORD returns.

IMO, His presence on Mt Olives will be invisible throughout the millennium.

After the millennium, his Shekinah Glory will appear on Mt Zion (Ezek 43:2)

then the Shekinah Glory will be visible throughout the Messianic Age (Isaiah 4:5)

LittleLambofJesus · #35 2nd February 2008, 02:34 PM

Coming of the Shekinah Glory

No doubt in my mind, 1st he comes for the church, before the millennium.

Thanks for your post.

2 Thess 2:11 and thru this is sending them, the God/YHWH, an in-working of-deception/planhV <4106>, into the to believe them to the Falsehood/yeudei <5579>.
12 that they may be being judged all the ones not believing to the Truth, but delighting in the injustice

Matt 24:16 "then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 "Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 "And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 "But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 "And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath.

LittleLambofJesus · #36 2nd February 2008, 02:56 PM

Hmmm. Looking at the number of votes so far, I guess this topic doesn't interest most here.
I had it up on the CT board for a wider audience, but the powers that be moved it over here.

HisdaughterJen · #37 2nd February 2008, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by saint2

And he may come first in his own glory, and later in his Father's glory ?

Matt 25:31.
When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him,
he will sit upon his glorious throne, and all the nations will be assembled before him.

Matt 16:27.
For the Son of Man will come with his angels in his Father's glory,
and then he will repay everyone according to his conduct.

Same glory.

And his presence may not be visible to the world when he first comes?

Matt 24:26
...So if they say to you, 'He is in the desert", do not go there;
if they say, 'He is in the inner rooms', do not believe it".

Like his apparitions to his disciples (Mark 16:12, Luke 24:36, John 24:19).

Mat 24:27For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

Zec 9:14Then the Lord will appear over them; his arrow will flash like lightning. The Sovereign Lord will sound the trumpet; he will march in the storms of the south,

I'm thinking that the whole world will experience some kind of light.

LittleLambofJesus · #38 2nd February 2008, 03:30 PM

I'm thinking that the whole world will experience some kind of light.

Hi Jen. I would think they can experience that thru the Word we preach, as JESUS is the Light and as they come to Him, they can read the Bible to gain more Knowledge and Truth of both YHWH and His Christ, Jesus. Thoughts?

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Isaiah 60:1 Arise!, shine!; that your light came, and glory of YHWH on you He radiates.
2 For behold!, the darkness is covering land, and gross-darkness peoples; and over you YHWH is being radiant, and His glory over you is appearing.
3 And Nations go to Thy light, and Kings to brightness of thy rising/radiance.

Matt 4:16 The people, the one-sitting in darkness perceived a Light, great.
And/also to-the ones-sitting in part and shadow of death, a Light springs-up to-them.

John 1:3 All-things thru Him became/egeneto <1096> (5633) and apart-from Him became/egeneto <1096> (5633) not-yet one-thing which has become/gegonen <1096> (5754).
4 In Him life was, and the Life was the Light of the men.

LittleLambofJesus · #39 2nd February 2008, 03:45 PM

only 9 votes so far

HisdaughterJen · #40 2nd February 2008, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

only 9 votes so far

Well, I'd vote but "He comes at the beginning of the millenium" is not an option.