Question time. Jesus returns before or after 1000yrs

PROPHECYKID · #11 1st February 2008, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

That would be way beyond the scope of this thread, as I am just interested in how others view this that rather "mysterious" 1000yr period for right now.

Zech 14:5 And you flee ravine of mountains, that he shall touch ravine of mountains to 'Atsel. And you flee as which you fled from before the earthquake in days of `Uzziyah king of Y@huwdah and He comes, YHWH my Elohiym, all of holy-ones with You.

Ok fine. Im sorry. I just had the thought.

LittleLambofJesus · #12 1st February 2008, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by PROPHECYKID

Ok fine. Im sorry. I just had the thought.

I just don't want this thread moved to the "Eschatology" board as this does concern Theological views of an event.
Wait till more vote. Thanks.

This word "parousia" is used only 4 times in the Gospels, all in Matt 24:

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Matthew 24:3 He is yet sitting on the mount of the Olives, the disciples toward-came to Him according to own, saying, `Tell us, when shall these be? and what the Sign of the Thy ParousiaV <3952>, and of the together-finish/sun-teleiaV <4930> of the Age?'

Reve 19:11 And I perceived the heaven having be opened and Lo! A horse, white and the One sitting on it/him being called Faithful-one and True-one and in justice He is judging and is battling.

PROPHECYKID · #13 1st February 2008, 09:41 PM

parousia
Thayer Definition:
1) presence
2) the coming, arrival, advent
2a) the future visible return from heaven of Jesus, to raise the dead, hold the last judgment, and set up formally and gloriously the kingdom of God

Rhamiel · #14 2nd February 2008, 12:24 AM

we are in the "1,000" year reign now, the Church is the kingdom of Christ

LittleLambofJesus · #15 2nd February 2008, 12:30 AM

Originally Posted by Rhamiel

we are in the "1,000" year reign now, the Church is the kingdom of Christ

Thanks for taking the time to vote Rhamiel. Peace.
Steve

Melethiel · #16 2nd February 2008, 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

Hi. I have been reading the different viewpoints of different denomination, including the Orthdox, Roman church and mainstream Protestantism.
I have but one question. Does JESUS return Before or After the 1000yr period. I have looked at amillennialism and chiliasm both of which makes no Scriptural sense. Let the poll begin.

The 1000 years is figurative language.

LittleLambofJesus · #17 2nd February 2008, 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by Melethiel

The 1000 years is figurative language.

So are "clouds", and I just can't picture the Pope as the one sitting on that horse in Revelation 19:11, but then again who knows.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Hebrews 12:1 Therefore let us also, seeing we are compassed about with so great a cloud/nefoV <3509> of witnesses, lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

Reve 1:7 Behold! He is coming with the clouds, and shall be seeing Him every eye, even who any Him they pierce. And shall be bewailing over Him all the tribes of the Land. Yea Amen. [Jeremiah 4:13/Zech 12:10/Daniel 7:13]

Reve 19:11 And I perceived the heaven having be opened and Lo! A horse, white and the One sitting on it/him being called Faithful-one and True-one and in justice He is judging and is battling.
14 And the armies, the in the heaven, followed to him on horses, white, having been inslipped/dressed linen, white clean,

garry2 · #18 2nd February 2008, 01:05 AM

Originally Posted by Melethiel

The 1000 years is figurative language.

The 1000 years is literal language.
At one end of the millinium is the first resurrection, and at the other is the second death, following ofcourse the second resurrection.
Revelation 20
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

ross3421 · #19 2nd February 2008, 01:10 AM

Originally Posted by garry2

The 1000 years is literal language.
At one end of the millinium is the first resurrection, and at the other is the second death, following ofcourse the second resurrection.

All the other resurrection verses do not show this gap?

How do you explain this away?.

Mark

LittleLambofJesus · #20 2nd February 2008, 01:12 AM

The 1000 years is literal language.

So is the "lake of fire".

I am even of the view the "great city burning" could be the "lake of fire". Lot of Jewish/Hebrew symbology...........Please cast a vote if you post. Thanks.

Reve 18:9 And shall be lamenting, and shall be beating breasts over her, the kings of the Land, the ones with her fornicating and indulging, whenever they may be observing the Smoke of the firing/purwsewV <4451> of Her.

Reve 19:20 and is arrested the wild-beast and with it the false-prophet, the one-doing the signs in view of it, in which he deceives the ones getting the mark of the wild beast and the ones worshipping to the image of it, living were cast, the two, into the Lake/limnhn <3041> of the fire/puroV <4442> the one burning/kaiomenhn <2545> (5746) in to the sulphur/qeiw <2303>.