While I haven't been able to prophectically place the Song of Solomon... I do know that Revelation is full of trumpets and the fall feasts start with the Feast of trumpets.. which happen to only begin after two witnesses sight the new moon... interesting coincidence.
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While I haven't been able to prophectically place the Song of Solomon... I do know that Revelation is full of trumpets and the fall feasts start with the Feast of trumpets.. which happen to only begin after two witnesses sight the new moon... interesting coincidence.
Hmmm....
The Fall Feasts are Trumpets, Atonement and Tabernacles, right?
Trumpets certainly would herald a King! And as I recall, there's not really a reason given for celebrating Feast of Trumpets, Biblically...right?
Tabernacles will continue during the millenium (Zech 14) until it is fulfilled in eternity, correct?
But, in the catching away, it is a "trumpet call", isn't it? Like the one in Exodus 19?
Exd 19:10 And the Lord said to Moses, “Go to the people and consecrate them today and tomorrow. Have them wash their clothes Exd 19:11and be ready by the third day, because on that day the Lord will come down on Mount Sinai in the sight of all the people. Exd 19:12 Put limits for the people around the mountain and tell them, ‘Be careful that you do not go up the mountain or touch the foot of it. Whoever touches the mountain shall surely be put to death. Exd 19:13 He shall surely be stoned or shot with arrows; not a hand is to be laid on him. Whether man or animal, he shall not be permitted to live.’ Only when the ram's horn sounds a long blast may they go up to the mountain.” Exd 19:14 After Moses had gone down the mountain to the people, he consecrated them, and they washed their clothes. Exd 19:15 Then he said to the people, “Prepare yourselves for the third day. Abstain from sexual relations.” Exd 19:16On the morning of the third day there was thunder and lightning, with a thick cloud over the mountain, and a very loud trumpet blast. Everyone in the camp trembled. Exd 19:17Then Moses led the people out of the camp to meet with God, and they stood at the foot of the mountain. Exd 19:18 Mount Sinai was covered with smoke, because the Lord descended on it in fire. The smoke billowed up from it like smoke from a furnace, the whole mountain trembled violently, Exd 19:19 and the sound of the trumpet grew louder and louder. Then Moses spoke and the voice of God answered him.
1Th 4:16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
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No one is basing their belief in the catching away to meet Christ on the Left Behind books and movies.
Our home is in heaven. Jesus promised he'd come back and take us there.
Jhn 14:2In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. Jhn 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.
Has Jesus done this yet? Has he come back and taken us to the Father's house?
Phl 3:20But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, Phl 3:21 who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.
Hbr 11:16Instead, they were longing for a better country-a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.
Now, at some point, Jesus is going to appear to take us to the place prepared in the New Jerusalem in transformed bodies.
The video says we are caught up to meet the Lord in the air and then come back down to the earth with Christ. That is not Biblical. It says that NOWHERE in the Bible.
Messianic ... love the feasts... and are all over the page in trying to understand them.. but alas .. we are looking in the glass darkly... the only thing that we do have right is in keeping them .. our hearts are eager to learn more of the spiritual meaning... eager for them to be fulfilled just like the spring feasts were fulfilled with His first coming.
We can give is a multitude of bits and pieces that give us great joy and helped put some sense to the puzzle.
Yes we are all looking as into a glass darkly or polished metal, but when we are like Him we will know as we are known.
All should read 1. Corinthians 13 if you havn't done so in a while.
There are quite a few reasons for trumpets besides the heralding of the crowning of a King.
Feast of Trumpets is the First day of the seventh month and start of the civil year.(Leviticus 23.23-25) Hebrew name is Rosh HaShanah which literally means head of the year on the Jewish Calendar it falls around September or October depending on the year. It is Tishri 1 of the Jewish month and first day of the year on the Jewish civil calendar. The Jews have two calendars, one which they call the sacred calendar and the other that they call the civil. They believe that since God never abrogated the old calendar when He gave them the new calendar they are to have two calendars. This is why Joel says that Christ will come in the first month, both for the first coming and for the second, both in the spring and in the fall.
The symbolism of this festival is something of a mystery, a sort of Bible riddle begging to be solved. The Bible grants us only two sparse verses to explain the festival:
Leviticus 23:23,24 In the seventh month, on first day of the month, it will be for you a sabbath, a trumpet blast memorial, a sacred assembly. 24 All regular work you shall not do, and you shall cause to be brought near to the LORD an offering made by fire.
This memorial is yet to have an event to memorialize it.
The place of His sanctuary, which is our minds, will be cast down, polluted and need serious cleansing. Good thing that Yeshua cleansed the temple at the start of His ministry and then again at the end of His earthly ministry for us. During the Feast of Trumpets come all the last warnings that this world will receive before the plagues fall.
Now the two trumpets of silver can be paralleled to the two witnesses who are calling people to the last call of redemption. The two witnesses will call for the ingathering of the believers and for the journeying that will need to be done spiritually to be in the place in the wilderness, where God can again speak to us as it was at Mount Sinai.
Numbers 10:1-2 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Make thee two trumpets of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps.
There is another interesting thing I want to bring forward about the two witnesses....Think Revelation 11
Numbers 11:24 And Moses went out, and told the people the words of the LORD, and gathered the seventy men of the elders of the people, and set them round about the tabernacle. 25 And the LORD came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, that, when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, and did not cease. 26 But there remained two of the men in the camp, the name of the one was Eldad, and the name of the other Medad: and the spirit rested upon them; and they were of them that were written, but went not out unto the tabernacle: and they prophesied in the camp.
__________________ Since the Torah is a finite book expressing the will of an infinite God, many lessons must be derivable from each passage from all the infinite angles.
There are quite a few reasons for trumpets besides the heralding of the crowning of a King.
Feast of Trumpets is the First day of the seventh month and start of the civil year.(Leviticus 23.23-25) Hebrew name is Rosh HaShanah which literally means head of the year on the Jewish Calendar it falls around September or October depending on the year. It is Tishri 1 of the Jewish month and first day of the year on the Jewish civil calendar. The Jews have two calendars, one which they call the sacred calendar and the other that they call the civil. They believe that since God never abrogated the old calendar when He gave them the new calendar they are to have two calendars. This is why Joel says that Christ will come in the first month, both for the first coming and for the second, both in the spring and in the fall.
The symbolism of this festival is something of a mystery, a sort of Bible riddle begging to be solved. The Bible grants us only two sparse verses to explain the festival:
This memorial is yet to have an event to memorialize it.
The place of His sanctuary, which is our minds, will be cast down, polluted and need serious cleansing. Good thing that Yeshua cleansed the temple at the start of His ministry and then again at the end of His earthly ministry for us. During the Feast of Trumpets come all the last warnings that this world will receive before the plagues fall.
Now the two trumpets of silver can be paralleled to the two witnesses who are calling people to the last call of redemption. The two witnesses will call for the ingathering of the believers and for the journeying that will need to be done spiritually to be in the place in the wilderness, where God can again speak to us as it was at Mount Sinai.
There is another interesting thing I want to bring forward about the two witnesses....Think Revelation 11
Yeah, that verse in Numbers is very interesting...two that stayed in the camp instead of the Tabernacle to prophecy there.
Num 11:25 Then the Lord came down in the cloud and spoke with him, and he took of the Spirit that was on him and put the Spirit on the seventy elders. When the Spirit rested on them, they prophesied, but they did not do so again.[fn2] Num 11:26 However, two men, whose names were Eldad and Medad, had remained in the camp. They were listed among the elders, but did not go out to the Tent. Yet the Spirit also rested on them, and they prophesied in the camp. Num 11:27 A young man ran and told Moses, “Eldad and Medad are prophesying in the camp.” Num 11:28 Joshua son of Nun, who had been Moses' aide since youth, spoke up and said, “Moses, my lord, stop them!” Num 11:29 But Moses replied, “Are you jealous for my sake? I wish that all the Lord's people were prophets and that the Lord would put his Spirit on them!” Num 11:30 Then Moses and the elders of Israel returned to the camp.
Rev 11:1 I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, and count the worshipers there. Rev 11:2 But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. Rev 11:3 And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.
Well, you may teach that: the bible doesn't...The "last trump" of 1 Cor 15 is the last trump of the Roman army: it is the signal to put the army in motion. It was a well known designation in those days. It has nothing to do with Mt 24. And as I have said: the Mt 24 trump is after Christ has come..... so, it cannot be the same one as at the rapture, which by all means must precede Christ's coming. Otherwise the saints can't come with Him.
So is this: Jhn 17:24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.
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