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And the next resurrection is....? It's still firstfruits, isn't it??? There's different harvests of the field, right?
the feasts all have harvest overtones... the feast of ingathering that is spoken of in NT is known as the feast of tabernacles in the OT.
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the feasts all have harvest overtones... the feast of ingathering that is spoken of in NT is known as the feast of tabernacles in the OT.
Yeah....I just was searching the Bible about that...

Exd 23:16"Celebrate the Feast of Harvest with the firstfruits of the crops you sow in your field. "Celebrate the Feast of Ingathering at the end of the year, when you gather in your crops from the field.

Exd 34:22"Celebrate the Feast of Weeks with the firstfruits of the wheat harvest, and the Feast of Ingathering at the turn of the year.

So, the Feast of Harvest is...in the Spring? And the Feast of Ingathering is...in the Fall?


Jesus and those who rose after He rose were in the Spring....at Passover...when people were celebrating the Feast of Weeks...hmmm...Feast of weeks is Pentecost, right?

Christians are known as having "firstfruits of the Spirit".
The 144,000 are also called firstfruits.

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Originally Posted by HisdaughterJen View Post
Yeah....I just was searching the Bible about that...

Exd 23:16"Celebrate the Feast of Harvest with the firstfruits of the crops you sow in your field. "Celebrate the Feast of Ingathering at the end of the year, when you gather in your crops from the field.

Exd 34:22"Celebrate the Feast of Weeks with the firstfruits of the wheat harvest, and the Feast of Ingathering at the turn of the year.

So, the Feast of Harvest is...in the Spring? And the Feast of Ingathering is...in the Fall?


Jesus and those who rose after He rose were in the Spring....at Passover...when people were celebrating the Feast of Weeks...hmmm...Feast of weeks is Pentecost, right?

Christians are known as having "firstfruits of the Spirit".
The 144,000 are also called firstfruits.
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Hmmm...more interesting scriptures...

Jer 2:3 Israel was holy to the Lord,
the firstfruits of his harvest;
all who devoured her were held guilty,
and disaster overtook them,’ ”



Eze 44:30The best of all the firstfruits and of all your special gifts will belong to the priests. You are to give them the first portion of your ground meal so that a blessing may rest on your household.


Rom 11:16If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.



Jam 1:18He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created.




Tts 2:13 while we wait for the blessed hope–the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,
Tts 2:14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify (consecrate) for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.



Psa 50:5"Gather to me my consecrated ones, who made a covenant with me by sacrifice."


Zep 1:7 Be silent before the Sovereign Lord,
for the day of the Lord is near.
The Lord has prepared a sacrifice;
he has consecrated those he has invited.




So, it looks like Israel, who we have been grafted into is the firstfruits. We, who believe, are consecrated and will be gathered as part of firstfruits.


Just like Moses consecrated the people for two days and led them out of the camp to meet with God on the morning of the 3rd day (Exodus 19), so too, are we consecrated by Jesus (for 2 days - 2000 years) and led "out of the camp" to meet with God "on the morning of the 3rd day".
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Hmmm...more interesting scriptures...

Jer 2:3 Israel was holy to the Lord,
the firstfruits of his harvest;
all who devoured her were held guilty,
and disaster overtook them,’ ”



Eze 44:30The best of all the firstfruits and of all your special gifts will belong to the priests. You are to give them the first portion of your ground meal so that a blessing may rest on your household.


Rom 11:16If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.



Jam 1:18He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created.




Tts 2:13 while we wait for the blessed hope–the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,
Tts 2:14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify (consecrate) for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.



Psa 50:5"Gather to me my consecrated ones, who made a covenant with me by sacrifice."


Zep 1:7 Be silent before the Sovereign Lord,
for the day of the Lord is near.
The Lord has prepared a sacrifice;
he has consecrated those he has invited.




So, it looks like Israel, who we have been grafted into is the firstfruits. We, who believe, are consecrated and will be gathered as part of firstfruits.
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Yep... now you see
Yep...I think with a little help from above, I'm now seeing the why and how of it! We, who are in Israel (Christ), are the firstfruits with Christ!

God is amazing!
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Now in order to be one of the fortunate ones who is in the right place at the right time, it would be spiritually a big blessing to keep the feasts [spiritually speaking] so that when the appointed time comes you have your heart and mind in the right place for what is about to happen, just like it was for those who were there for pentecost.
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Now in order to be one of the fortunate ones who is in the right place at the right time, it would be spiritually a big blessing to keep the feasts [spiritually speaking] so that when the appointed time comes you have your heart and mind in the right place for what is about to happen, just like it was for those who were there for pentecost.
And that is where, as a Christian, we need to study and understand the Feasts. You, as a Messianic Jew, have an advantage because I'm sure you understand all of that!

So, any enlightenment you might want to share...I'm hungry for it!!
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Messianic ... love the feasts... and are all over the page in trying to understand them.. but alas .. we are looking in the glass darkly... the only thing that we do have right is in keeping them .. our hearts are eager to learn more of the spiritual meaning... eager for them to be fulfilled just like the spring feasts were fulfilled with His first coming.

We can give is a multitude of bits and pieces that give us great joy and helped put some sense to the puzzle.
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Messianic ... love the feasts... and are all over the page in trying to understand them.. but alas .. we are looking in the glass darkly... the only thing that we do have right is in keeping them .. our hearts are eager to learn more of the spiritual meaning... eager for them to be fulfilled just like the spring feasts were fulfilled with His first coming.

We can give is a multitude of bits and pieces that give us great joy and helped put some sense to the puzzle.
Do you think this is prophetic?

Sgs 2:8 Listen! My lover!
Look! Here he comes,
leaping across the mountains,
bounding over the hills.
Sgs 2:9 My lover is like a gazelle or a young stag.
Look! There he stands behind our wall,
gazing through the windows,
peering through the lattice.
Sgs 2:10 My lover spoke and said to me,
Arise, my darling,
my beautiful one, and come with me.
Sgs 2:11 See! The winter is past;
the rains are over and gone.
Sgs 2:12 Flowers appear on the earth;
the season of singing has come,
the cooing of doves
is heard in our land.
Sgs 2:13 The fig tree forms its early fruit;
the blossoming vines spread their fragrance.
Arise, come, my darling;
my beautiful one, come with me.”
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