Is there anybody out there that understands that the "alive and remain" are those "dead in Christ" which have been resurrected? Please someone surely.
1th 4:16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1th 4:17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
For the someone which will ask who then are those which they meet in the air. It is those which have previously fell asleep in Jesus in which they were asking about.
Those which already fell asleep + those whom Paul is speaking (which are part of the dead in Christ) will be caught up together (resurrected) made alive and remain forever with the Lord.
1 cor 15:23 But every man in his own order: #1 Christ the firstfruits; afterward #2 they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then#3 cometh the end group.....
Who are the firstfruits in Christ.... Romans 8:23, 1 cor 12:12-13, Gal 3:16,28
1 thes 4:15-17 Trump of God... not angels
1 thes 4:18 comfort one another ... verses all mourn in matt 24:30
Yes even though the Holy Spirit departs the earth with the church... john 14:16-20, 2 thes 2:7, rev 4:5
1cor 15:23 states there are three different resurection of God's children
angels blowing matt 24:29-31 ... different than God blowing 1 thes 4:16
Dan 12:2, 11-13
after the 2nd coming 75 days afterwards OT saint give their new glorified bodies
1 cor 15:51-52 this is a mystery ... at any moment we can get our glorified bodies
Still under law ... its a mystery not given yet..
First kind of resurrection not time... in greek vs
all the dead .... this is the resurrection of the spiritually dead.. first time for this kind of resurrection
in the context read rev 20:11-15 resurrected to everlasting damnation ....
In Christ one can have peace of many things
Originally Posted by onwingsaseagles
Brother in Christ,You entire post was the same stuff pretribber always write to try and discount what the bible is really saying.
I will go with the biblical point of view ,not the escapist.
one that does not understand grace....
one that cannot attack my scripture or the words to look at in scripture
Rev 11:1 do not suffer the same fate as those in Rev 11:2.
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Is there anybody out there that understands that the "alive and remain" are those "dead in Christ" which have been resurrected? Please someone surely.
1th 4:16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1th 4:17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
For the someone which will ask who then are those which they meet in the air. It is those which have previously fell asleep in Jesus in which they were asking about.
Those which already fell asleep + those whom Paul is speaking (which are part of the dead in Christ) will be caught up together (resurrected) made alive and remain forever with the Lord.
Mark
The dead in Christ are the dead in Christ and those that are alive and remain are those that are not dead but are alive and remain.
1 cor 15:23 But every man in his own order: #1 Christ the firstfruits; afterward #2 they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then#3 cometh the end group.....
Christ himself is the first fruits,then we that are in Christ(christians)then the end comes.
Christ was raised the all other Christians will be resurrected at the post trib 2nd coming and then will come the end.
Once again pretty remedial,you dont get it because you have blinded your self by your religion/doctrine/man made traditions
Christ himself is the first fruits,then we that are in Christ(christians)then the end comes.
Christ was raised the all other Christians will be resurrected at the post trib 2nd coming and then will come the end.
Once again pretty remedial,you dont get it because you have blinded your self by your religion/doctrine/man made traditions
Ok, so what about the people that were raised when Christ rose? Where do they fall into that scenario?
That's just two resurrections....Christ and those who belong to him at his coming.
The Bible describes more than that.
1. Christ
2. Those who rose when Christ rose
3. Resurrection and catching away of believers (Glorious appearing - prior to wrath)
4. Resurrection and catching away of two witnesses (3 days after the beast kills them)
5. Resurrection of martyrs who refused to worship the beast (when Christ physically returns)
6. Resurrection of everyone else for GWT judgment. (at the end of the millenium)
So, there is a scenario that makes ALL scripture true. What is that scenario?
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Ok, so what about the people that were raised when Christ rose? Where do they fall into that scenario?
They are the wave sheaf for the feast of First Fruits that Jesus was fulfilling with His resurrection...
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