OHHHHH! Of course! Yes, he promises to bring them all back....!!!! Wow, cool!
You'd have to compare scripture to scripture to catch that.
There's a resurrection and catching away, followed by judgment and wrath which brings about the destruction of the ungodly when He comes with His angels. He gathers the elect of Israel and brings them all back to the land he promised them and rules from Jerusalem.
This is why the angels (harvesters) pull up the weeds and bundle them up to be thrown into the fire and then gather the wheat into the barn in that parable!
Does that mean the Judeans will have to come back under the Law of Moses again?
For some reason that doesn't make Scriptural sense to me and I doubt the Jews would go for it.
Besides the Roman church views that as all past so what difference does it make.
Matthew 24:31 and He shall be sending His messengers with a Trumpet/salpiggoV <4536> sound, great, and they shall be upon-together-gathering/episunaxousin <1996> (5692) the out-called-ones of Him out of the four winds, from extremities of heavens till the extremities of them.
1 Corinthians 15:52 In a-moment, in twinkle of an eye, in the Last trumpet/salpiggi <4536>; for he-shall-be-trumpeting, and the dead-ones shall be being roused incorruptible, and we shall be being changed/allaghsomeqa <236> (5691).
Revelation 8:6 And the seven messengers having the seven trumpets/salpiggaV <4536> make ready themselves, that they-should-be-trumpeting/salpiswsin <4537> (5661) ;
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2 kings 6:17 And 'Eliysha` is praying and saying "YHWH, open! please! his eyes and he shall see"
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Rapture and the first resurrection are not the same.
In the rapture those that died in Christ and those still alive meet the Lord in the clouds.
And by the way, the dead in Christ rise first (from the graves).
In the first resurrection there are thrones and judgment of those who did not take the mark of the beast.
1. Thessalonians 4
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord
Revelation 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
John 17:15 My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one.
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John 17:15 My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one.
Remember in the OC when Joseph was sold into slavery in Egypt and how it turned out?
Luke 21 and Rev 13 both mention "captivity" and that in itself is not a bad thing as Paul also was cast into prison and he ended up saving others as a result.
I have a whole study just on this but that is for another thread. Peace.
Luke 21:24 And they shall be falling to mouth of sword and they shall be being capturized/aicmalwtisqhsontai <163> (5701) into all the nations and Jerusalem shall be being trodden by nations until which may be being filled times of nations.
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Reve 13:10 If any into captivity/aicmalwsian <161>, into captivity/aicmalwsian <161> he is led away. If any in sword to be killed, is binding them in sword to be killed. Here is the endurance and the faith of the saints.
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2 kings 6:17 And 'Eliysha` is praying and saying "YHWH, open! please! his eyes and he shall see"
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John 17:15 My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one.
Jesus was praying to His Father concerning the Apostles
John 17
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
And they were needed to remain in the world to bring others to Christ.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
holden,the fact is we will be caught up together to meet the Lord in the air.
The bible clearly tell us when this will be ''AT HIS COMING''which is after the tribulation is over.
Well, you may teach that: the bible doesn't...
The bible also states that we will be raptured ''AT THE LAST TRUMP''
Regardless if you believe it is the same as the trumpet sounded in Matthew 24 or not it can not be B4 that trump because it is THE LAST TRUMP.
The "last trump" of 1 Cor 15 is the last trump of the Roman army: it is the signal to put the army in motion. It was a well known designation in those days. It has nothing to do with Mt 24. And as I have said: the Mt 24 trump is after Christ has come..... so, it cannot be the same one as at the rapture, which by all means must precede Christ's coming. Otherwise the saints can't come with Him.
#1 1st thess 4:15-17 and 1st cor 15:20-23 say that the rapture is at the 2nd coming.
1 cor 15:23 But every man in his own order: #1 Christ the firstfruits; afterward #2 they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then#3 cometh the end group.....
Who are the firstfruits in Christ.... Romans 8:23, 1 cor 12:12-13, Gal 3:16,28
1 thes 4:15-17 Trump of God... not angels
1 thes 4:18 comfort one another ... verses all mourn in matt 24:30
#2 matt 24:29-31 and mark 13:24-27 say that the 2nd coming is after the tribulation and that there is a gathering of the elect at that time.
Yes even though the Holy Spirit departs the earth with the church... john 14:16-20, 2 thes 2:7, rev 4:5
1cor 15:23 states there are three different resurection of God's children
#3 1st cor 15:51-53 says that the rapture is at the last trump but matt 24:29-31 says that there is a trump sounded after the tribulation the rapture can not be b4 this trump therefore can not be until after the trib is over.
angels blowing matt 24:29-31 ... different than God blowing 1 thes 4:16
#4 luke 17:26-30 says that the same day we are taken out is the same day Jesus returns to destroy the wicked(which he does at the end of the trib not the start) this is confirmed in 2nd thess 1:6-10.
Dan 12:2, 11-13
after the 2nd coming 75 days afterwards OT saint give their new glorified bodies
1 cor 15:51-52 this is a mystery ... at any moment we can get our glorified bodies
#5 john 6:39,40,44,and 54 all say Jesus said that he would raise us up at the last day (not 7yrs b4 ).
Still under law ... its a mystery not given yet..
#6 rev 20 :4-6 says that the 1st resurrection is after the trib we know this because it includes tribulational martyrs aswell as others that refuse to worship the beast or take his mark during the trib.There can be no resurrection of dead saints at a pretrib rapture b4 the 1st resurrection therefore the pretrib rapture aswell as the mid trib is biblicaly impossible.
First kind of resurrection not time... in greek vs
all the dead .... this is the resurrection of the spiritually dead.. first time for this kind of resurrection
in the context read rev 20:11-15 resurrected to everlasting damnation ....
In Christ one can have peace of many things
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