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Old 29th January 2008, 08:26 PM
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Why do people think it is ok to Sin?

I was wondering why people think it's ok to Sin because Jesus has already died for us.

Is sin ever ok?

Is it easier to ask for forgiveness then for permission?

If Jesus died for us to provide us a way out of slavery from sin, why do we keep sinning?

Did Jesus die on the cross for the forgiveness of all our sins future, past, present?
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People like to try and take advantage of what has been given. Paul made specific reference to the Romans on this very topic. See Romans 6.

We keep sinning because we are still human with a carnal mind. We are weak in the flesh.

Yes, the crucifixion of Jesus was a perfect act of love that broke the power of sin and death then and there. He died once and once only.
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Originally Posted by k2svpete View Post
People like to try and take advantage of what has been given. Paul made specific reference to the Romans on this very topic. See Romans 6. We keep sinning because we are still human with a carnal mind. We are weak in the flesh.

Yes, the crucifixion of Jesus was a perfect act of love that broke the power of sin and death then and there. He died once and once only.
Can't really explain it better than that.

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Can't really explain it better than that.

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Thank you kind sir. I give thanks that God continues to teach me every day and deepen my understanding of his word.
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God uses sin to change us. Without the curse we might as well be robots. God wants overcomers like at the end of the Bible; not innocent robots like of GGGreatgrandfather Adam.
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Originally Posted by Tdigaetano View Post
I was wondering why people think it's ok to Sin because Jesus has already died for us.

Is sin ever ok?

Is it easier to ask for forgiveness then for permission?

If Jesus died for us to provide us a way out of slavery from sin, why do we keep sinning?

Did Jesus die on the cross for the forgiveness of all our sins future, past, present?
Sin means 'to miss the mark.' The mark is, of course, living a life fully in accordance with the life and teachings of Christ. So, to sin is to keep oneself separated from God. Sin can be voluntary or involuntary and can be achieved with our knowledge or our ignorance. Some things are obvious sins. Others, not so much. Sin is personal in nature and you will find no definitive list of what is or isn't a sin. You can be sure that anything which causes a person to 'miss the mark' is a sin. We don't inherit original sin, just the consequence of it, which is death.

Christ defeated sin and death.

In the Christian view, everyone sins. This doesn't mean that we are born depraved though. The Church is the ultimate hospital and Christ is the Great Physician. To a Christian, we live out our lives in the Church, and must daily make a decision to take up our cross and follow Christ. The Church is there to help us turn from our sins. A person who perseveres in this will attain theosis. Our struggle with sin is something that everyone must contend with.
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Originally Posted by seashale76 View Post
Sin means 'to miss the mark.' The mark is, of course, living a life fully in accordance with the life and teachings of Christ. So, to sin is to keep oneself separated from God. Sin can be voluntary or involuntary and can be achieved with our knowledge or our ignorance. Some things are obvious sins. Others, not so much. Sin is personal in nature and you will find no definitive list of what is or isn't a sin. You can be sure that anything which causes a person to 'miss the mark' is a sin. We don't inherit original sin, just the consequence of it, which is death.

Christ defeated sin and death.

In the Christian view, everyone sins. This doesn't mean that we are born depraved though. The Church is the ultimate hospital and Christ is the Great Physician. To a Christian, we live out our lives in the Church, and must daily make a decision to take up our cross and follow Christ. The Church is there to help us turn from our sins. A person who perseveres in this will attain theosis. Our struggle with sin is something that everyone must contend with.
How can you be separated from God?




David declared in Ps 139:7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? 8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. 9 If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; 10 Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me. 11 If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me. 12 Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.
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How can you be separated from God?




David declared in Ps 139:7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? 8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. 9 If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; 10 Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me. 11 If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me. 12 Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.
KJV
Yes, God is everywhere present and fills all things. However, that is not the same as cooperating with God (synergeia). Those who don't turn from their sins in repentace are not on the road to being filled with the divine light. Those who don't turn from sin and repent don't have Christ in them.

What about hell, then? Does it apply also? Will individuals be separated from God then, or do you think otherwise?

Those who didn't repent in this life and turn from sin will experience God's loving presence as fire and be tormented by it.
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Yes, God is everywhere present and fills all things. However, that is not the same as cooperating with God (synergeia). Those who don't turn from their sins in repentace are not on the road to being filled with the divine light. Those who don't turn from sin and repent don't have Christ in them.

What about hell, then? Does it apply also? Will individuals be separated from God then, or do you think otherwise?

Those who didn't repent in this life and turn from sin will experience God's loving presence as fire and be tormented by it.
First of all the word hell is not even in the original language of scripture; in fact it comes from pagan roots.

The fire is spiritual in scripture is symbolic; especially in the Book of Revelation; and God's fire (pur)Gk) will purify not destroy.
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Originally Posted by seashale76 View Post
Sin means 'to miss the mark.' The mark is, of course, living a life fully in accordance with the life and teachings of Christ. So, to sin is to keep oneself separated from God. Sin can be voluntary or involuntary and can be achieved with our knowledge or our ignorance. Some things are obvious sins. Others, not so much. Sin is personal in nature and you will find no definitive list of what is or isn't a sin. You can be sure that anything which causes a person to 'miss the mark' is a sin. We don't inherit original sin, just the consequence of it, which is death.

Christ defeated sin and death.

In the Christian view, everyone sins. This doesn't mean that we are born depraved though. The Church is the ultimate hospital and Christ is the Great Physician. To a Christian, we live out our lives in the Church, and must daily make a decision to take up our cross and follow Christ. The Church is there to help us turn from our sins. A person who perseveres in this will attain theosis. Our struggle with sin is something that everyone must contend with.
You're incorrect about the inheritance of sin. We are all born in sin, spiritually dead. Numbers, I believe, makes reference to the sins of the father being visited upon the sons to the third and fourth generations.

If we did not inherit sin then there would be no need for us to seek salvation and Jesus could not have been tempted and overcome death.
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