The Perfect

I think I would just like to go ahead and state all of my proposal's plainly:
(this is lucaspa's suggestion)

1.)The infinity is a system in which the universe expands in.

2.)Infinity is omni-potent.

3.)Infinity is "perfect". Perfect, meaning it is greater than anything that is compared to it.

4.)Infinity, being perfect, can effectively top itself. Therefore imposing limitations on its own actions, rather than spontaneously performing actions of chaotic proportions. This is the attribute of a being. Infinity is a being.

5.)God is infinte.

-edit- I changed the 5th one from "Infinity is God"

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This is to elaborate on each proposal:

1.)I am inferring that the infinity is the "just exist", or the "uncaused cause". Because (in my thinking) if any value exists, it exists within the parameters of infinity.

2.)I believe that what ever is infinite has the ability to do anything. For instance, if space were infinite and uncontrolled, we would find somewhere in space's vastness, every possible thing. That's assuming its not perpetrating the laws of physics. I believe that infinity is unbound by these laws and would completely render existence as chaos.

3.)In infinity, there must exist a value higher than another value. If infinity were itself a value, it would be perfect. Nothing could come close to equalling it.

4.)Because we do see stability in existence (from laws of physics and various applications of mathematics), it would seem that the infinite, though being omni-potent, is not doing everything at one time (chaos). It seems to be able to limit its own actions. Such a statement would infer that the Perfect can "top" itself in potency. Such stability is "choice" and "will". These are the attributes of a being.

5.)The perfect, because it is the foundation as the "First Cause", would have to pre-exist any and everything in it's system. Because it is a being, because it is omni-potent, because everything exists in it, it can be defined as what we attribute to as a god. Or perhaps God himself.

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I wouldn't buy a dictionary from you.

Two problems. First and foremost, I'm not sure this argument amounts to anything more than replacing the word "God" with "Infinity." Is there a distinction I'm just missing?

Second (less important, but more metaphysically amusing) is the fact that, indeed, certain infinities are greater than other infinities. This can be demonstrated as follows. Consider the "infinity" that is equal to the number of positive integers. Now consider the "infinity" that is equal to the number of points on a ray (a line that starts from a point and continues into infinity). Label the ray's origination point "1" and put each other positive integer one inch further along.

So now you have a list of all possible positive integers and a line with those integers placed at certain points along it. In between each marked point on the line is an infinite number of points (since there are an infinite number of points in any line segment). Hence, for any single positive integer, there is a corresponding *INFINITE* number of points on the ray. The number of points on a ray, then, is larger than the number of positive integers.

(After points on a ray/line/line segment, you have the number of possible two dimensional curves, then the number of possible three dimensional curves, then the number of possible four dimensional curves, etc., off into infinity. Hence, given N dimensions, the greatest possible infinity is equal to the number of possible N dimensional curves, effectively, the number of possible curves in infinity-dimensional space.)

Are we having fun yet?

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--Zadok001, aka Greater Good fanatic

My proposals are only considerable if the universe is not infinite. If spacetime does not have a definite unit, spacetime is infinite. It is being theorized, now, that there is a definite unit of space and a definite unit of a moment. The infinity in the small is impossible, but I am refering to the infinity in the large.

Besides: How am I able to make contact with my keyboard if space is not made of an indivisable unit?

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Firstly, (correct me of I am wrong) the 'infinity' in question is one not nessicarily of math, or dimensions, but an 'infinity' of possibilities and/or existence.

Secondly, what points to this type of 'infinity' or 'perfect' existing anyways?

hey Zeno's Paradox!

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is this a necessity, or can this additional entity be trimmed away as being superfluous. does it help any explanation at all, or are you going to define it as a supernatural entity from the get-go.
you will of course need to define omnipotent... is that totally omnipotent, or is it merely logically omnipotent?
this is not an acceptable use of the word "perfect"... it is literally just tacked on.
reliant on 3, which you will need to justify in a greater extent.
reliant on all the above, and notes that you have just tacked on God....

In essence, all this seems to be, is a rewording of the epistemological argument with "infinity" thrown in as an afterthought.

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I hope you aren't referring to the planck length and time here? Those are simply the spatial and temporal limits of physics and causality.

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The notion of moment in a philosophical sense is an interesting one. If there are individual moments, what connects them? If there is a gap, how is it traversed?

It there are not individual moments, then time is indivisible. Yet we divide it. Is this division artificial?

I love time. Tis fun to think about.

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