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5th November 2003, 09:51 PM
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In co-leading an Alpha group, I have had the opportunity to reflect - and my faith in God has grown as I see outsiders drawing close to Him.
On note that caught my attentions was this:
Many people say they believe Jesus lived, but that He is NOT the Son of God, or God at all - but simply a good man.
Jesus CAN NOT be a JUST good man. If He is not God, he is either 'insane' or a very Evil man, as He portrayed Himself to be God. Next time you hear "I believe in Jesus - but he was just a very good man. Remind them that a very good man would not Blaspheme God by claiming to be Him. He was either, insane, evil, or God.
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5th November 2003, 10:00 PM
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Reps: 548 (power: 0) | | | I would usually ask them...there are many good men in this world not being recognised, so how good is Jesus to be remembered for over 2000yrs?
Then ask them, is he better than you?
and how?
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5th November 2003, 10:13 PM
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Reps: 196 (power: 0) | | | while the Liar, Lunatic or Lord argument is persuasive to me, I would caution using it in the Apologetic section.... there has been much atheistic attention given to the Trilemma, and the atheists in the Apologetic section are ready to pounce if the argument is even hinted at....
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18th November 2009, 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Ken  while the Liar, Lunatic or Lord argument is persuasive to me, I would caution using it in the Apologetic section.... there has been much atheistic attention given to the Trilemma, and the atheists in the Apologetic section are ready to pounce if the argument is even hinted at....
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Thanks for the warning. It's amazing how much effort atheists put forth in maintaining their rejection of God. I can't help but think of the following Scripture:
Ecclesiastes 9:17 (KJV) The words of wise [men are] heard in quiet more than the cry of him that ruleth among fools.
I also think of the following Scripture and love the Promise of God that His Word will not return void.
Isaiah 55:6-13 KJV Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: 7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. 8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. 9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. 10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: 11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. 12 For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands. 13 Instead of the thorn shall come up the fir tree, and instead of the brier shall come up the myrtle tree: and it shall be to the LORD for a name, for an everlasting sign that shall not be cut off.
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Philippians 2:5-11 KJV Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
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20th November 2009, 11:17 AM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | | In my opinion people come about this from the wrong direction. Was he a man, yes of course he was. Was he the son of God? Aren't we all the children of God? Is not God in all of us and is not God in all of the universe?
God is within us all. I believe that the lifeblood of the universe is God and as such we are all a part of him. Jesus appears to be his chosen messenger to help lead us down the path of life.
Whether people accept him or not as God or the son of God is less important to me then if they follow his teachings. Some people have a lot of difficulty making certain leaps of faith. Give it time and as they follow the path laid out by Jesus they will change their opinion. |
20th November 2009, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DRK In my opinion people come about this from the wrong direction. Was he a man, yes of course he was. Was he the son of God? Aren't we all the children of God? Is not God in all of us and is not God in all of the universe?
God is within us all. I believe that the lifeblood of the universe is God and as such we are all a part of him. Jesus appears to be his chosen messenger to help lead us down the path of life.
Whether people accept him or not as God or the son of God is less important to me then if they follow his teachings. Some people have a lot of difficulty making certain leaps of faith. Give it time and as they follow the path laid out by Jesus they will change their opinion.
I disagree completely. Watering down the Gospel of the Grace of God to this extent would be humanism or universalism. Denying the Absolute Deity of Jesus Christ is one of the top priorities of the devil in the battle for souls. Why?
John 14:6-7 KJV Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
John 3:16-18 KJV For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
I, for one, will not even hint at denying the Deity of Jesus Christ in my witnessing to others.
Matthew 10:32-33 KJV Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
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Philippians 2:5-11 KJV Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
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20th November 2009, 02:07 PM
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Reps: 1,533,505,112,088,164,096 (power: 1,533,505,112,088,168) | | Originally Posted by DRK Was he a man, yes of course he was.
Actually, I've met an athiest before who was in the school of thought that Jesus Christ wasn't even a man, that he is a figment of the imagination. Their convinced he's never existed. So liar, lunatic, God, OR imaginary. But son of God is the correct answer, no matter how many choice's come up. Jesus Christ is the only way to the father and through faith in him is the bearing of fruit.
"I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing." John 15:5
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