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12th May 2009, 06:49 AM
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13th May 2009, 04:49 AM
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Reps: 155,696,005,911,999,168 (power: 155,696,005,912,020) | | | Once again, the Calvinists attack the people who believe the Word of God.
Why? The bottom line is that Calvinism denies the love of God and the dignity of humanity. They consider God hates some people and loves some people and only died for the people He loves. That is not love. They consider God forces people to repent and follow Him - but God treats people with the dignity to choose life or death. He recommends choose life, but will always allow people to choose death.
Because of denying these two key elements of Biblical Christianity, they come to the conclusion that everything that happens is God's will. If someone is sick, they don't know how to receive healing so they assume that the sickness is God's will. If someone is poor, then that is God's will.
They say what they see and see what they say. Saying what they desire and seeing what they see change is beyond them.
I am in the middle of an email discussion with a Calvinist and two things are apparent:
1) they fail entirely to deal with Scripture. Notice our poster above "John Piper is a wonderful man of God". Does that mean we shouldn't subject what he says to Scripture? I think Andrew Wommack and Kenneth Hagin are wonderful men of God (I think I am a wonderful man of God to be honest) but I wouldn't fail to analyse what they said in the light of the Scripture.
2) they have a philosophy of yielding to the circumstances of life
The Bible says to resist the devil, Calvinism says to yield to the devil. That alone shows the inspiration of this entire system of theology.
Troy, thanks for such a powerful and clear post on this. I may transfer it to my blog.
Blessings,
Benjamin
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Paul speaks of the hidden man of the heart. That is the You that is in you. The visible you is not the You that puts you over. It is the unseen You who wins the fight. - E.W. Kenyon |
13th May 2009, 10:27 AM
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Reps: 280,799,994,826,671 (power: 280,799,994,838) | | Originally Posted by KingZzub  Once again, the Calvinists attack the people who believe the Word of God.
Why? The bottom line is that Calvinism denies the love of God and the dignity of humanity. They consider God hates some people and loves some people and only died for the people He loves. That is not love. They consider God forces people to repent and follow Him - but God treats people with the dignity to choose life or death. He recommends choose life, but will always allow people to choose death.
Because of denying these two key elements of Biblical Christianity, they come to the conclusion that everything that happens is God's will. If someone is sick, they don't know how to receive healing so they assume that the sickness is God's will. If someone is poor, then that is God's will.
They say what they see and see what they say. Saying what they desire and seeing what they see change is beyond them.
I am in the middle of an email discussion with a Calvinist and two things are apparent:
1) they fail entirely to deal with Scripture. Notice our poster above "John Piper is a wonderful man of God". Does that mean we shouldn't subject what he says to Scripture? I think Andrew Wommack and Kenneth Hagin are wonderful men of God (I think I am a wonderful man of God to be honest) but I wouldn't fail to analyse what they said in the light of the Scripture.
2) they have a philosophy of yielding to the circumstances of life
The Bible says to resist the devil, Calvinism says to yield to the devil. That alone shows the inspiration of this entire system of theology.
Troy, thanks for such a powerful and clear post on this. I may transfer it to my blog.
Blessings,
Benjamin
Thanks Zzubzy. How are things going at Tree of Life fellowship? And what are your plans for visiting the good ol' US of A?
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13th May 2009, 01:39 PM
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Reps: 155,696,005,911,999,168 (power: 155,696,005,912,020) | | Would love to visit the States. Am going back to India 2010, so maybe 2011. By then I hope to be full time ministry and seeing a church of at least 150-300.
We have lost a few people recently because essentially they weren't WoF people and we were not going to compromise. Have seen some wonderful miracles and we are going to have a healing crusade in August of this year.
Our website and blog give most of the information: www.treeoflifechurch.org.uk and treeoflifelondon.wordpress.com.
Please add some comments to my blog, it generates well over 100 visits per day, but very few comments!
Blessings,
Benjamin
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Paul speaks of the hidden man of the heart. That is the You that is in you. The visible you is not the You that puts you over. It is the unseen You who wins the fight. - E.W. Kenyon |
13th May 2009, 03:09 PM
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Reps: 280,799,994,826,671 (power: 280,799,994,838) | | Originally Posted by KingZzub Would love to visit the States. Am going back to India 2010, so maybe 2011. By then I hope to be full time ministry and seeing a church of at least 150-300.
We have lost a few people recently because essentially they weren't WoF people and we were not going to compromise. Have seen some wonderful miracles and we are going to have a healing crusade in August of this year.
Our website and blog give most of the information: www.treeoflifechurch.org.uk and treeoflifelondon.wordpress.com.
Please add some comments to my blog, it generates well over 100 visits per day, but very few comments!
Blessings,
Benjamin
Hey, I'll e-mail you.
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14th May 2009, 05:58 PM
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Reps: 155,696,005,911,999,168 (power: 155,696,005,912,020) | | | Email received. Will send a reply in the next few days. Things are very hectic at the moment!
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Paul speaks of the hidden man of the heart. That is the You that is in you. The visible you is not the You that puts you over. It is the unseen You who wins the fight. - E.W. Kenyon |
21st May 2009, 12:11 PM
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Reps: 9,227,126,556,108,368 (power: 9,227,126,556,111) | | | I haven't actually heard of this guy but from waht some of you have said he seems to be in favour of suffering, poverty and sickness as being something that God will give us. In the past year or so I have become very aware of how much teaching there is like this in the church. Did Jesus not say that He came to give us life in abundance? To attribute works of the devil as to being blessings from God is a very twisted view of God's love for us.
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21st May 2009, 12:17 PM
| | | | I would like to ask John Piper how much he makes as a rich and famous person, and then I wonder if people knew how much he makes, if they would still listen to his arguments against prosperity.
It kind of muddies the waters when you become prosperous preaching against prosperity. |
21st May 2009, 12:19 PM
| | | Originally Posted by gennaoanothen John who ???????
John Piper. 
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21st May 2009, 01:01 PM
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