What was not there before the fall?

Adam and Eve, and Noah, and all the gang are very very alive and well, in the spiritual realm. As we speak. So is Elvis, and Jesus.

The original plan was rescued by the Saviour. Now, Adam did have quite a detour, and had to have his body die, but he is OK now.

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If the flood happened when laws were different than this present state we know, all bets are off for present state science being able to extrapolate backwards in any meaningful or accurate way.

Okay, but in the sense of 'alive' and 'dead' that is used in day-to-day speech that does not count as being alive.

A word is only as good as the intent communicated behind it. Twisting words only makes you unclear.

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Yes, they are as alive as you and I. Just in a far country.

No twisting involved, they are alive and chatting, and multiplying, and well as we speak.

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If the flood happened when laws were different than this present state we know, all bets are off for present state science being able to extrapolate backwards in any meaningful or accurate way.

Forgive me but I think you are coming at this from the wrong angle,
when you are talking to Christians or people from any religion for that matter,
the one thing to remember is, 'The imagination is a wonderful thing'.

Was this line taken from the 'Cuckoo Waltz'?

Just lemme get an answer here, okay?

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Good luck, just don't get mad when you don't.

In the bible, things that are alive are defined as animals. Plants, fungi, protists etc... aren't alive according to God. Sure, they grow, reproduction, respond to stimuli, but they just aren't "living" things according to the bible. I'll say that they probably don't have "souls".

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You will do me the justice to remember, that I have always strenuously supported the Right of every Man to his own opinion, however different that opinion might be to mine. He who denies to another this right, makes a slave of himself to his present opinion, because he precludes himself the right of changing it.

-- Thomas Paine

Book/Chapter/Verse?

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Genesis 1.

11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.


20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.


21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.


26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.



29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

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You will do me the justice to remember, that I have always strenuously supported the Right of every Man to his own opinion, however different that opinion might be to mine. He who denies to another this right, makes a slave of himself to his present opinion, because he precludes himself the right of changing it.

-- Thomas Paine