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26th January 2008, 10:42 AM
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26th January 2008, 12:31 PM
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Reps: 355,468,475,071,780 (power: 355,468,475,092) | | Originally Posted by dad  Right, that was after the eternal life no longer applied.
Taking the fruit and living forever implies that to you?
No, it is part and parcel of the tree of life.
LOL.. Here's a clue. If Adam had eternal life he would be alive today.
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26th January 2008, 12:36 PM
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Reps: 22 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by consol Creationists believe that before the fall there was no death,
so animals that lived on meat, either did not exist or ate grass,
and Fungi or flies would not have been around, (no dead trees, plants or dead anything)
Animals, insects or fish did not breed, plants did not have seeds,
because if there was no death there would not be room for them all,
if every egg that was laid survived, the earth would be full in one year, (by butterflies alone)
if every Mackerel egg survived, the sea would be full of Mackerel, which means the water would cover the land.
Which means it's all nonsense.
Reading the book of Genesis literally is a mistake. |
26th January 2008, 12:45 PM
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I think there are demons in the cellar, you are accepted as normal, but I am considered to be mad.
it's a strange old world we live in, don't you think?
Heaven is wherever God is.
Consol, I believe you when you say, "there are demons in the cellar". |
26th January 2008, 09:21 PM
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Reps: 71,280,996,117 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by consol  Don't you find it's fascinating, you think there is a God up in heaven, I think there are demons in the cellar, you are accepted as normal, but I am considered to be mad. it's a strange old world we live in, don't you think? Originally Posted by JamesDaJust Heaven is wherever God is.
Consol, I believe you when you say, "there are demons in the cellar".
So your imaginary friend lives in heaven,
is heaven a REAL place? can I find it with GPS? or is Gods heaven only in your head? |
26th January 2008, 10:58 PM
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Reps: 1,165 (power: 7) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET Universal entropy.
Never mind.
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27th January 2008, 03:31 AM
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Reps: 118,712,461,112,472,176 (power: 118,712,461,112,500) | | Originally Posted by Soul Searcher LOL.. Here's a clue. If Adam had eternal life he would be alive today.
He is.
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27th January 2008, 03:33 AM
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Reps: 118,712,461,112,472,176 (power: 118,712,461,112,500) | | Originally Posted by consol Don't you find it's fascinating, you think there is a God up in heaven,
I think there are demons in the cellar, you are accepted as normal, but I am considered to be mad.
it's a strange old world we live in, don't you think?
No, there are spirits around, as well as God up in heaven. You are not nuts.
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27th January 2008, 03:38 AM
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lol what
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27th January 2008, 03:44 AM
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