What was not there before the fall?

Not for man, and some things.

So not only does it not say that there was no death for man but it strongly implies that man was mortal all along.

The no death part is made up.

Let me ask you a question, SS.

Take Adam for instance. Here is a man that is alive both spiritually and physically. Now he dies.

Question: Which, in your opinion, would die first in Adam: his spirit, or his body?

To look at it another way, which is more reasonable:

• A body walking around spiritually dead.
• A body lying in the grave spiritually alive.

Let me ask you a question, SS.

Take Adam for instance. Here is a man that is alive both spiritually and physically. Now he dies.

Question: Which, in your opinion, would die first in Adam: his spirit, or his body?

To look at it another way, which is more reasonable:

• A body walking around spiritually dead.
• A body lying in the grave spiritually alive.

Universal entropy.

like i said you dont want to go there.

No --- let's do go there --- I said universal entropy --- or maybe a better term would be macro-entropy, as opposed to micro-entropy.

It's now obvious to everyone on this forum that you will say anything and twist everything
in order that it might fit in with your ideas of how your religion should be,
you are a disgrace to the Christian religion. (unless they are ALL like you)

And I don't need to think it through, it's only a story, it's only a story, it's only a story.
(The people who got to you should be locked up)




So what you are really saying, is that people can read it which ever way they want,
and can make it mean what ever they want.

I understand that religion is only in the mind of the believer, and everyone uses it as they see fit,
but the problems start when people begin to believe the bible is true, and think it's fact,
when anyone with 9 cents worth of brain knows it's just a story, and not a story to be taken seriously.

Why does everyone insist on adding or removing or giving different meanings to words in the bible?
do they find it that easy to fool themselves?

I believe you are being personally judgmental and as a "Christian" are not applying GOD 's Word but totally your own values to ridicule and insult.

I do not expect everyone to believe as I do. I do expect everyone who considers themself a "Christian" to place CHRIST first and HIS concerns foremost.

I also feel that the Bible has been misunderstood by people who really have no love of GOD and are not willing to really try to grasp what GOD says in HIS Word, nor the possibilities HE shares throughout HIS Word.

If you insist that GOD made the universe in Billions of years and developed man from a monkey, I see no Biblical interpretation that supports such a claim. If you personally know of one, you owe it to me as a "brother in CHRIST" to point it out to me. If you cannot then do not be so rude as to try to hit me below the belt and belittle my beliefs simply because you are insecure in yours.

I would love to be your friend; however, I do not take kindly to someone trying to remove a splinter from my eye, using anything but BIBLICAL tweezers.

My interpretation is that genesis is not literal. A literal genesis completely fails even grade school science. stuff like photosynthesis and the solar system. Genesis is the literary origin story. kind of like the first issue of a superhero comic book. without the radioactive spider, spider-man is just some guy randomly able to walk on walls and spin webs. Genesis sets up man's relationship with God and the state of the world.