What are your reasons for being pre-trib or post-trib?

Hello all,

Recently I have been having doubts about the dispensationalist/pre-trib view of eschatology (something I have always been taught). Basically at this point all I can say about myself regarding my end-times belief is that I am a premillenilalist.

My main problem with the dispensationalist/pre-trib view is the idea that there are "two people of God" - that only believers during the Church Age comprise the Bride of Christ and that all other believers (OT saints, tribulation saints, millennial believers) will have a different (inferior?) relationship with Christ throughout eternity.

My main problem with the post-tribulationist view is that Jesus clearly says (Mt 24:42) that no one knows the day of His return, and from Daniel it is rather simple to count down the days until Christ's return if the rapture is at the end of the tribulation.

So I decided I would ask the premillennialists out there - if you are pre-trib, what is the main reason for your belief? And if you are post-trib, what is the main reason for your belief? (or whatever other view of rapture timing you hold.) Also, any answers to the above objections to either position would be very much appreciated.

Thank you!
Sunrise

I am post trib, cause Satan comes first....



I was at one time pre trib....too much evidence to the contrary...


per trib would have us believe that Christ comes first to gather, then the end trib and Satan, and then Christ again....


so who comes first? Satan or Christ?

Satan does...that is one good reason why I am post

Jesus told us that the time had been shortened for the elect's sake...it is not 7 years or 3 1/2 years....for the trib...it is shortened....


now, we can know the season that it happens, and the signs will be noticeable for the elect...so we may not know the very day, or hour, but we can know the time-frame...the season...

just as the locust has a season...and just as Noah's boat was afloat....a certain length of time....Rev9=5 months...seems logical to conclude that this is the shortening...since Satan(Apollyon/Abaddon) leads this Locust army...

in His service
c

i think people tend to be an opinion because that's the main one they studied or the one they were taught first. We ought to form opinions cos of close personal study

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satan has always been here, he goes to and from Heaven and earth as he pleases.
he will be thrown out of Heaven for good at the battle with Michael and his angels and will remain on earth until he is thrown into the lake of fire after the mill.

The tribulation is for seven years, Gods wrath may be shortened to 5 months, but only God knows that.
you used to say that tribulation was for 10 days, now you sat 5 months, one day you may say three and a half years, and who knows one day you may get it right.

Hello Sunrise....nice post.

As you have probably guessed i am a post..man.

I have a letter for you.....


I believe Jesus when he said that he had told us all things concerning his coming.



Paul when teaching about the rapture says ;

Then he says this;



What im saying is that -what Jesus said himself about his coming is all we need, as he said he had told us everthing in advance , and Paul preaches according to that word and there is no need for Paul to say anything cause ive got nothing to add.

Jesus says this about when he is coming to recieve us to himself;


MK 13
"But take heed; behold, I have told you everything in advance.
24 "But in those days, after that tribulation, THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT,
25 AND THE STARS WILL BE FALLING from heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens will be shaken.
26 "Then they will see THE SON OF MAN COMING IN CLOUDS with great power and glory.
27 "And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven.
28 "Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near.
29 "Even so, you too, when you see these things happening, recognize that He is near, right at the door.


To believe that he didnt tell us all things because hes coming before the tribulation , is not the way to go, as Paul teaches that he is teaching the lords own word on it.

Paul teaches that the living do not precede the dead saints but we are raptured with them when he comes.

He raises the last day according to John,
John says that when he appears we will be like him for we shall see him as he is.

Paul mentioned that nothing need be written to you,
for the day of the lord would come like a theif.

Peter in 2 pet 3 says that the day of the lord comes like a theif, in which the heavens would pass away and the earth would melt.
He then assures his flock on Pauls writings about these things, therefore unifing them all together.
So did Peter get the heavens dissappearing from the word of the lord?

yes;

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The Lord be with your spirit. Grace be with you.

But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.

Those days of Daniel have been shortened for the Elect's sake.

Basically, I rejected pre-trib becuase it's an outrageous lie and accept post-trib becuase it's the truth.

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John 14:6

Pray for the truly perscuted brethren in Christ throughout the world.


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Acts 1:11 "This Jesus who has been taken up from you into heaven, shall thus come in the manner in which ye have beheld him going into heaven."
Acts 3:20 "and he may send Jesus Christ, who was foreordained for you,
3:21 whom heaven indeed must receive till the times of the restoring of all things"
Jesus is in heaven till the restoration of all things happens.
Romans 8:29 and following tells us that the creation groans until the sons of God are manifested.
This manifestation will not take place until Christ is manifested (Col. 4:3; 1 Jn 3:3). We ourselves "groan" also, till our bodies are redeemed at that time.
So, this period of blessing on earth and its creation is not to start before Christ appears with all His saints. In order for Christ to appear with all His saints, they must first have joined Him: the alive and the dead in Christ are changed and resurrected and with resurrection bodies will join Christ in heaven. (1 Thess 4:16,17; 1 Cor. 15:51,52). From there they will then come with Him for all to be seen. (1 Thess 3:13; 2 Thess 1:10).
Another feature of the millenium is that Israel shall be restored. (Rom. 11:25,26; Jer 30:7,8,9; Dan. 12:1; Zech 12 - 14). Zech 14:2,4 show that Christ is coming back on mount Olives (see Acts 1:11) for the deliverance of the Jews out of their tribulation.
After this, blessings flow from Jerusalem and the Lord is King over the earth. This is the millenium, and it is clearly preceded by the Lord's coming.
Yet another feature is that at Christ's coming the evil will be done away with from Christendom. The Church of true believers shall have gone from it: being raptured, but yet judgment is to befall on those remaining imposters: the Anti Christ shall be destroyed by Christ's appearing personally. (2 Thess. 2:1-8). Prior to that in the great tribulation Babylon the whore of religion shall have been judged. (Rev 19:2)
There could not possibly be a reign of peace and blessing with such elements still around. Even Satan shall be bound prior to that state: he will be bound for a 1000 years. This all happens before and at Christ's coming. Only thereafter can there be a millenium.
The Mt 13 parables speak of the same thing: the Son of man will send His angels to destroy what corrupted the kingdom of heaven.
Rev 19 and 20 show clearly that the false prophet (=antichrist), the beast and their followers will be destroyed when Christ comes, prior to Him establishing a reign of 1000 years. It is only after this reign that the unbelievers will be resurrected to stand trial before the great white throne and judged and sentenced to the everlasting lake of fire.

The Old Testament clearly testifies to a return to the Promised Land and a restoration of a millennial temple and a reign with the Messiah ben David for 1,000 years.

There is so much unfulfilled prophecy relating to this, and the NT Scriptures testify to this as well, but then they decide to take 3 or 4 versus out of context and come up with a THEOLOGY of MAN known as the Rapture when there is no Scriptural basis of this unless you are creating doctrine, and drawing conclusions past what is made clear in the Scripture, or ignoring all the Old Testament prophecies.

There is no great escape.

- Zak

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"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear יה and keep His commandments, For this is man's all."
- Ecclesiastes 12:13 -

I am a NO-Tribb'er.

I believe that Jesus Christ will come to rule the World for 1000 years (with Satan out of the picture).

Then, after that 1000 years of peace, Satan gathers up his opposition (and whatever Trib occurs).