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This is the strongest argument in your O.P. I have seen evolution supporters do this over and over again here. When creationists use the term "evolution," they are usually referring to common ancestry, rather than "change in alleles over time." Responding by saying we have seen alleles change over time therefore does little good, unless a connection with common ancestry is made.
That is a good point. I admit that I am guilty of this, mostly because I care the most about the fact that the genes of a population change over time. And I have to say that it can be a bit hard to tell what to argue are there are so many shades of creationism from Young Earth to ID. Arguments for one kind may be worthless on the next type of creationist.
I'll tell you why... because he or she has walled off the part of their minds that plays church on Sundays from the part that is a scientist the rest of the week. Otherwise they couldn't be both.
Is true regarding scientists, but the questions is are the mental requirements of scientists the same for the common folk? Is the common folk subject or needing the same mental conditions of a natural scientist. My answer is not. My real question is does religion play a natural part in human life other that remain of the past, like and appendix?
As to inculcating a child into religion being child abuse... imagine raising a kid to believe in Santa into adulthood. It's the same thing... there are just a lot of people doing it so nobody complains. Now, when one guy points out what's being done he must be the one who's wrong.
Well the way he used to complain was not the more elegant. And remember in the XX century there were a group of people that also tried to stop kids to be raised religiously, often using all the force of the State. So Dawkings used a bad precedent. (Yes, I'm a lawyer). My question are some religious memes like some form of bacteria, a way to inoculate the brain from more dangerous memes? So far my experience in real life have told me yes. Sometime they work that way.
I surely don't see any religious organizations trying to stop these fools. Maybe you do catch more flies with honey... I'm just sick and tired of wasting honey on insects.
In England the Roman Catholic Church and the Church of England came publicaly against the teaching of creationism in the schools. The problem they have is that they get attached on both sides, by the atheists on one side who think there is no benign form of religion and fundies and moderates are equaly worthless and the creationists that look at theistic evolutionists as apostates. The same reasons why the Theistic evolutionist do not post in the crevo subforum of CF.
Hurray for Aggie. That is exactly why I left for several months. I was tired of rants instead of debate, name calling instead intelligent conversation. Good post.
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I think one of the main problems with this subforum is that people one both sides continue to confuse it with GA.
I don't come around here as much as I did previously because there seems to be too much name-calling, taking troll bait and mockery than rational discourse.
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I think one of the main problems with this subforum is that people one both sides continue to confuse it with GA.
I don't come around here as much as I did previously because there seems to be too much name-calling, taking troll bait and mockery than rational discourse.
Do you have any suggestions about a creationism/evolution forum I could join that’s closer to the way this board was in 2004 and 2005?
I’ve been looking at http://www.evcforum.net/ a little, but I don’t know if there’s anything better than that out there.
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Hurray for Aggie. That is exactly why I left for several months. I was tired of rants instead of debate, name calling instead intelligent conversation. Good post.
Perhaps if less people left for that reason there would be more intelligent conversation
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I would like to apologize for not responding to some of the responses to my post.
I have had no internet the past few days, and college is starting up again now. So, until the beginning rush is over, I am afraid I will not be able to respond.
I will do my best to respond to both consol and Phred as soon as possible, unless the thread has completely died off by then.
Again, my apologies.
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I think one of the main problems with this subforum is that people one both sides continue to confuse it with GA.
I don't come around here as much as I did previously because there seems to be too much name-calling, taking troll bait and mockery than rational discourse.
Hey, one side are begging us to provide rational response to trolls, the other are trying to get us to ignore them! What are we to do!
Hey, one side are begging us to provide rational response to trolls, the other are trying to get us to ignore them! What are we to do!
Why, ignore them rationally
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