what fascinates me about our sun

Forgive me for inturrupting ( )but this argument seems illogical:

Dr. Feelgood (or should I just call you Dr. instead? ), they have seemingly defeated each of your arguments with little confrontation from you. What point are you trying to make?

Good, I have spoken and feel relieved that I have stated it! (I usually observe, )

LOL, I know I am a little late, but I think it is hilarious that you thought our sun held 99% of the matter in the Universe. Ya, like I am going to consider your opinion on the subject as informed. Good stuff, keep it coming.

Yes, I was on another Christian forum not too long ago and a guy posted that he had read that there is a black hole at the center of our solar system (he somehow thought this proved God-then a few people had to break it to him that the black hole was at the center of our galaxy and we are 50,000 Light years from the center of our Galaxy and that the whole Milky Way was 100,000LY across. He was so shocked by this info.

I think many people are confused between solar system, Galaxy and also Universe. I showed a neighbor a pisture of our Galaxy and how our solar system is the size of a grain of sand in the outer outer suburbs of our Galaxy. Then I showed him the Hubble deep field picyure of the Millions of Galaxies -13 Billion Light years away. His reply? "Where is Earth in that?" Then he pointed to a galaxy and said, Is that our Sun? I said, "No, each one of those contain Billions of Stars like our Sun." I was very shocked because I remember being more informed than him when I was in 9th grade science and science/Astonomy knew much less about it than they do today. (in the 1980's). It seems like man ypeople still have a view that our Sun is all there is and the stars in the sky are some sort of nice picture. Our Sun could be a small point of light in someone else's sky.

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I'm glad you feel better. lol.

I guess I have simply chosen not to fight with them. Sometimes it's better just to watch them (like LorentzHa) repeat themselves ad infinitum just for fun. It's interesting watching LorentzHA get unnecessarily rude at other users for trying to help post pictures.

Really, I'm sharing my awe. (Although at first it was about the sun and our earth, I can now include human interaction on the list.) I stated that I felt that the proximity of the sun to the earth, it's release of energy was just right to sustain life. I don't rate this as a chance, and I don't think any sane individual can. I realize I stated the last piece argumentatively, but I realize that hardly anyone took me to task on it. What did many do instead? Why, many jumped on an error I made.

Seemingly you'd be just as happy to have your case tried on a technicality. That, I think, is as good a point as any to make, and you required very little prompting from me.

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Edited for my rude remarks

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None of the gods love wisdom or desire to become wise, for they are wise already -- nor if someone else is wise, do they love wisdom. Neither do the ignorant love wisdom or desire to become wise; for this is the grievous thing about ignorance, that those who are neither good nor beautiful nor sensible think they are good enough, and do not desire that which they do not think they are lacking.

Plato, Symposium 203E-204A

Probably because your error was so egregious that it made the rest of your post laughable.

Your imagination would have to be pretty limited to completely rule out the possibility of sheer dumb luck.

The "awe" you want to share with us is yet another Argument from Design that "Since I can't imagine how this happened 'by chance', Goddidit."

However, since your mistake showed a very limited knowledge of astromony or cosmology (or was it just vocabulary?), the fact that you can't imagine it happening "by chance" is more or less a moot point.

Granted, the sun is just the right size, just the right distance, and produces just the right amount of energy to sustain life as we know it.

(Key phrase: as we know it)

But tell me, Doc, if the sun was in another position, another size, etc, how do we know that life, in some other form, wouldn't have come about on this little pebble of a planet?

How do we know it hasn't happened elsewhere?

So long as the possibility exists, then the fact that our sun is what it is and where it is really isn't all that impressive, although we can certainly be grateful for it...

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You see, their morals, their code, it's a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these... these civilized people, they'll eat each other.

See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve.

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LorentzHA: I think your posts and your interactions with others speak for themselves. You wonder why I don't want to read them all the way through, to find some apology buried within. I don't have to do any more explaining. If we substracted you from this thread, no meaning nor content would have been lost. What does that tell you?

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Nathan, nobody is perfect, and it certainly doesn't detract from the argument that the position of the sun, size, etc, is probably unlikely to be random. Rather than focus on the remainder of my argument, you zoomed in on the error, the validity of the remainder of the post notwithstanding. You can't moot the point that quickly.

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Isn't it possible that life has did not arise because the amount of energy the sun projects on Earth is perfect for life, but rather that it evolved around the amount of energy the sun puts out. It simply used what was available and had to live within the confines of that amount of energy?

Edited for my rude remarks

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None of the gods love wisdom or desire to become wise, for they are wise already -- nor if someone else is wise, do they love wisdom. Neither do the ignorant love wisdom or desire to become wise; for this is the grievous thing about ignorance, that those who are neither good nor beautiful nor sensible think they are good enough, and do not desire that which they do not think they are lacking.

Plato, Symposium 203E-204A