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31st October 2003, 09:07 AM
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Reps: 66 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by drfeelgood Ok. Thank you. We got the message.
Okay so you've finally understood that theres billions of billions of stars in the galaxy and that our sun is medium sized. You've also understood that it's extremly likely that atleast some of the planets orbiting the suns would have life on them and that some of them might have intelligent life that might end up with people like us?
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31st October 2003, 11:24 AM
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Reps: 49 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by LorentzHA Yeah, duh, I kind of figured that one out. I was trying to attach like you would attach something to an e-mail, also from your hard drive. I have never attached anything to a forum or site before. I was trying to make a copy and paste it via attaching. No, actually I was hoping you would access my hard drive and look through my whole life.
Umm..THANKS for the help! 
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31st October 2003, 11:36 AM
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Reps: 17 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by drfeelgood How is it that our star, while being so big, releases EXACTLY the right amount of energy to sustain life on our planet?
Because if the sun wasn't releasing the right amount of energy or the earth wasn't the right distance then life would not have emerged.
Life will only ever come to be when the conditions are right. Therefore we will only every ponder the question why is the sun just right for us, when the sun is in fact just right for us, otherwise we won't be around to ponder.....
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Reps: 1,385 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Mainframes Because if the sun wasn't releasing the right amount of energy or the earth wasn't the right distance then life would not have emerged.
Life will only ever come to be when the conditions are right. Therefore we will only every ponder the question why is the sun just right for us, when the sun is in fact just right for us, otherwise we won't be around to ponder.....
Its as right for us as a hole is to a puddle. We adapted to our environment, the environment didnt adapt to us. |
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Reps: 1,795,728 (power: 1,807) | | Originally Posted by drfeelgood I guess I won't convince anyone. I suppose when push comes to shove I'm just sharing my awe.
We can all be awed by it, but the argument has a few serious holes...
First we have to assume God ment us specificaly to be here, thus a claim of knowing the mind of God.
We are a little self centered to assume that we are the sole reason that this exists, there may be millions of life bearing planets out there God is looking after.
Looking at the universe this way is akin to a car looking at a giant factory and saying "Look, all that was made to produce me specificaly!" ignoring all the cars around it and all the cars to be made before or after it.
And ofcourse God could have made the universe just to see what would happen, and we are the result of a random experiment because of Godly boredom. |
31st October 2003, 10:30 PM
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Reps: 207 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by LewisWildermuth We can all be awed by it, but the argument has a few serious holes...
First we have to assume God ment us specificaly to be here, thus a claim of knowing the mind of God.
We are a little self centered to assume that we are the sole reason that this exists, there may be millions of life bearing planets out there God is looking after.
Looking at the universe this way is akin to a car looking at a giant factory and saying "Look, all that was made to produce me specificaly!" ignoring all the cars around it and all the cars to be made before or after it.
And ofcourse God could have made the universe just to see what would happen, and we are the result of a random experiment because of Godly boredom.
But everything you state here amounts to *pure speculation*...I woundn't even qualify these statments as 'arguments', either (more like opinions). The main problem is you are not basing your arguments on real Christian theology. If you are trying to point out holes, you need to first examine that theology carefully. When you understand it, then you might be in a better position to discuss it.
Many of the arguments placed here by some creationists are not representative of good theology either BTW...(not to mention the bad science).  |
31st October 2003, 10:33 PM
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Reps: 207 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by armed2010 Its as right for us as a hole is to a puddle. We adapted to our environment, the environment didnt adapt to us.
I don't get it...are you agreeing with the quoted statement here or refuting it? Seems to me like you are basically saying the same thing. |
31st October 2003, 10:56 PM
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Reps: 26,771 (power: 42) | | Originally Posted by LewisWildermuth We can all be awed by it, but the argument has a few serious holes...
First we have to assume God ment us specificaly to be here, thus a claim of knowing the mind of God.
We are a little self centered to assume that we are the sole reason that this exists, there may be millions of life bearing planets out there God is looking after.
Looking at the universe this way is akin to a car looking at a giant factory and saying "Look, all that was made to produce me specificaly!" ignoring all the cars around it and all the cars to be made before or after it.
And ofcourse God could have made the universe just to see what would happen, and we are the result of a random experiment because of Godly boredom.
Yes, ok However, I didn't mention the argument that this whole universe was here for us. Perhaps your first point remains, but then you kind of go off on a tangent it seems.. 
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1st November 2003, 07:08 AM
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Reps: 66 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Mike Flynn But everything you state here amounts to *pure speculation*...I woundn't even qualify these statments as 'arguments', either (more like opinions). The main problem is you are not basing your arguments on real Christian theology. If you are trying to point out holes, you need to first examine that theology carefully. When you understand it, then you might be in a better position to discuss it.
Real christian theology ? Is that theological arguements we hasn't refuted before (well we have probably done it but you haven't seen it)?
There are alot of stars in the universe, thats a fact. Many of them are like our sun, that is a fact. They got planets around them, that is a fact. Life can survive an extremly harsh enviroment (early earth for example), that is a fact. Therefor it's safe to assume that theres a potential of life on several planets in the universe.
So how exactly is Lewis speculating?
And if you on a theological basis doesn't accept that organic matter can be created from unorganic (it's not much of a difference to be honest). God did it, he choosed one (or several planets) and put some nice small cells on earth and everything evolved from that.
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1st November 2003, 07:18 PM
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Reps: 307 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by FordPrefect Umm, duh, this is the url you tagged with file:///C:/Hubble/Milkyway.bmp which is a direct ref to your hard drive. The reason that works with email is because email clients have the tools built in to transport attachments as part of the email message.
I KNOW that C: is a direct refernce from my hard drive THAT is where the picture is..where should I have designated, YOUR hard drive? It is your attitude towards me that is unbelievable when all I wanted to do was share the picture that goes to the post I left for Dr. Feelgood, NOT you. Then I was asking for help not your attitude. That post with the colored letters explains my picture. I guess you slept good that night telling me that other people cannot access my hard drive, make you feel smart? I am not an idiot, somehow I managed to make it to medical school-without your help (THANK GOD for that!), but I guess by you coming on here and playing pseudo intellectual on all topics makes you feel good? Freud was right!
The ummm, was because that is what you said to me in your first post. The DUH is because I know I did not want people to access my hard drive, and a response in kind, to the one you left for me. I pasted the above link because THAT was the ONLY option I was given and that is where the image is located..I assumed it would paste it to the site ot become part of the site. I know what the URL is that I tagged, that was THE ONLY option I was given. I simply wanted to paste my picture to the site from this location. Period. I tried it the other way and still does not work.
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