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30th October 2003, 03:46 PM
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Reps: 1,320 (power: 12) | | | I think the lottery analogy is a good example. But, we have to think about the odds. If the chances are in the infinite, we have reached into chaos, and so, we are extremely lucky to be. Don't misunderstand me when I say that. I am making the assumption that more than one can win. It is the infinite that I am emphasising. Read my signature.
If the universe is not infinite (I don't believe it is), the odds of our existance and survival thus far are probably reaching into the infinite. As many cataclysmic things that happen to so many planets, not one has occured on Earth large enough to extinguish life.
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30th October 2003, 04:23 PM
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Reps: 5,365 (power: 27) | | A good point, for all we know life is common, but life surviving is uncommon. I wonder how many advanced civilizations have blow themselves up after learning about Nukes.  Originally Posted by Michali I think the lottery analogy is a good example. But, we have to think about the odds. If the chances are in the infinite, we have reached into chaos, and so, we are extremely lucky to be. Don't misunderstand me when I say that. I am making the assumption that more than one can win. It is the infinite that I am emphasising. Read my signature.
If the universe is not infinite (I don't believe it is), the odds of our existance and survival thus far are probably reaching into the infinite. As many cataclysmic things that happen to so many planets, not one has occured on Earth large enough to extinguish life.
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30th October 2003, 04:25 PM
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Reps: 207 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by drfeelgood D'OH!!!!!! Ok.. I missed the solar system thing.. But still. I would still argue my point irregardless of the mixup.
But who are you trying to convince with your arguments? Just because something is improbable, doesn't make it impossible. You won't convince any skeptic with "it was only one chance in 10 zillion, therefore God did it." Whether you 'bet your house' on it or not...its pretty unconvincing.
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30th October 2003, 04:35 PM
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30th October 2003, 05:32 PM
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Reps: 49 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Arikay A good point, for all we know life is common, but life surviving is uncommon. I wonder how many advanced civilizations have blow themselves up after learning about Nukes.
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30th October 2003, 05:36 PM
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Reps: 49 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by drfeelgood I guess I won't convince anyone. I suppose when push comes to shove I'm just sharing my awe.
If it is awe you are sharing, I will share it with you. One thing to keep in mind is, "Anthropic Principle" which could have the tagline of, "The only tautology that logically works!" |
30th October 2003, 05:38 PM
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Reps: 14,478 (power: 25) | | Originally Posted by drfeelgood Our sun contains over 99% of the mass contained in the entire universe. That to me is incredible. Why our sun? Why not some other star? Our sun can hold over one million of our Earths. How is it that our star, while being so big, releases EXACTLY the right amount of energy to sustain life on our planet? Over 380 billion trillion kilowatts, the equivalent to 100 billion tons of TNT exploding each second.
Coincidence? Come on. Not even the most close-minded scientist can genuinely buy into that argument. It's there for a reason, and it's presence isn't random.
It is all because of God.
It is so awesome just to think about it.
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30th October 2003, 08:07 PM
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Reps: 307 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by drfeelgood Our sun contains over 99% of the mass contained in the entire universe. That to me is incredible. Why our sun?.
This is incorrect info. It makes up 99% of the mass of our Solar system- NOT our Universe. Our whole solar sytem (Sun and nine planets) is the size of a grain of sand in our own Galaxy. Our Galaxy is just one of Billions of galaxies in the Universe.
Why our Sun makes up 99% of the mass of our Solar System, because the planets that orbit it are VERY, Very small in comparison. Similar to grains of sand next to a light bulb. Our Sun is just one of Billions of Stars in out own galaxy and it is nothing special as far a stars go. It is a medium sized middle aged star.
Sorry have not read the other posts yet so I do not know if anyone else has corrected you one this.
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30th October 2003, 08:27 PM
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Reps: 307 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by drfeelgood I just find it awe inspiring, and highly unlikely to have developed by chance. You wouldn't bet your house on it, would you? I know I wouldn't.
Ok ,there seems to be a lot of confusion about the difference between Solar system, Galaxy and Universe. People seem to be using them interchangebly. An Astroner firend helped with the positions of the circles drawing. The first image is by CHANDRA using radiation to give a picture of our galaxy. We have never been ouside of our own solar sytem not to mention Galaxy so we do not have a visual image of it. The area in the tiny red circle is the area of focus. It is the area of the Milky Way that our solar system resides in. I have made a red circle to show the area that makes up our Sun and nine planets-they all fit inside of the red circle. The blue dots around it are other recently discovered solar systems, orbiting stars like our Sun- in "near by" constellations. The stars we see from Earth are only in the green circle and occasionally we can see a faint one beyond. It would take us 150,000 years (i nthe space shuttle-spprox) to get from our own solar system to one of the blue dots (we have never been past our own moon, let alone out of our solar system). That is right- in the space shuttle 150 THOUSAND years to go from the red circle to the closest blue dots. We are at the very outer edge of the Milky Way Galaxy. The Milky Way is a medium sized galaxy containing billions of stars, many like our own Sun
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30th October 2003, 08:30 PM
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Reps: 307 (power: 0) | | | Darn, I have no idea why the picture wil not show. Any tips? I inserted it off of my hard drive?????
__________________ None of the gods love wisdom or desire to become wise, for they are wise already -- nor if someone else is wise, do they love wisdom. Neither do the ignorant love wisdom or desire to become wise; for this is the grievous thing about ignorance, that those who are neither good nor beautiful nor sensible think they are good enough, and do not desire that which they do not think they are lacking.
Plato, Symposium 203E-204A
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