This is not unitarian universalism. This is a belief of born-again Christians that God's plan is ultimate reconcilation of all persons... via the universal atonement of Jesus Christ.
(Ie. God will bring all to saving faith and regeneration by divine grace and sovereignty - and ultimate reconciliation of all people and the whole world has always been God's plan - and is the manifest power of the cross of Jesus Christ.)
(This is not unitarian universalism.)
According to this view, hell is not eternal. The lake of fire purges and is ultimately redemptive. Then God, by grace, has mercy on all by granting saving grace through faith even to those who were cast into outer darkness. (To explain the theology.)
Ultimate reconciliation. It is in contrast to annihilation or eternal torment in hell positions - but biblical relying on Jesus Christ and saving faith by grace in Jesus Christ. (Relies on God's sovereign wil, plan, love and power to redeem and reconcile all through His plan to send Jesus Christ.)
Sorry if explanation long - I think there is some confusion about the position theologically (confused with unitarianism - but very different. UR relies on salvation through Jesus Christ and God's sovereign grace and plan alone).
Would be great to have a forum not currently represented.
Thanks!
P.S. As a point of reference, the Nicene Creed was authored in part and headed by believers holding the UR position. (ie Gregory of Nyssa, etc.)
UR is not non-Nicene Creed... though I understand unitarian may be. Just making a point that UR position church leaders were in charge of the council and wrote in part the Nicene Creed - just to clarify that UR is definitely Nicene Creed, etc. Thanks!
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And I support it 150%...lol. We could go on forever with this. I'm glad to see there are people on here that believes in the Ultimate Reconciliation of all souls to God
Originally Posted by :paxigoth:
I support the idea of a UR forum
I would love to see a UR or Universal Salvation forum.
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With this kind of support... hey!! must be a great new forum potentially.
Thanks everyone for the support.
I understand that there may be opposition to the message. We do see things from different points of view.
However, I don't believe there really should be opposition to a view being represented in a forum that express a view that differs from one's own.
We can all learn from one another... and from the Bible.
And to have a forum where this is the uniting factor... where those of us who see the cross as perfectly atoning for all persons... and God's Love as perfect in reaching all persons.. God's Love as truly perfect in promise, potential... and even practise....
I honestly believe this is what the Bible is pointing to when it calls all believers to "spiritual maturity" or "spiritual perfection (maturity)": Perfect Love.
So, the value of seeing God's Love in Jesus Christ on the cross as truly perfect....
Yes!!!
I'd love for the forum to come to be to speak the message of Perfect Love in Jesus Christ... the Perfect Love of God in Christ made "real"... manifest... effectual.. actual... practical... on the cross.
Ultimate Reconcilation.
Thank you every one for considering the perfection of Jesus Christ our Perfect Savior perfectly saving and atoning forall... and a forum where this is this united focus is central.
I was involved in getting the Moderate forum going in here and I believe we needed twenty five people to support it, or a figure like it.
Maybe we can ask the supermoderator, CaDan, for some advice, even though he's not a believer in Ultimate Reconciliation, he's very open to all points of view (and he can't understand why the rest of them are so totally against it).
I was also involved in another forum that tried to get started but because there were too few members wanting it... and the terrible opposition of many others, it didn't get going.
There is the opportunity to post concerning Ultimate Reconciliation in the Non-Nicene areas, but I know most of us are in agreeance with the Nicene Creed. I first learned of UR through those forums.. with people like Moriah Conquering Wind, and Kept, and others who were sharing their beliefs. Those days were wonderful. But when these forums changed during 2007 most of them left.
I do know of other UR's in here who aren't aware of this thread, over the next few days I may contact them... if I can remember all of them... and see if they'd like to be involved.
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