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Old 29th October 2003, 08:50 PM
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My favorites from Hovind, not all on origins

A series of quotes from Hovind (which can be found at the site linked on the bottom):

I may not always be right, but if I am saying it in my seminar then I don't know it to be false.

A simple trick you can do. Suppose someone is getting married and going off on their honeymoon, you can pull out the coil wire [of the car engine]. Stick a door bell wire under there, pull it back, bring the door bell wire through the fire wall, and weave it through the fabric of the seat. They get in there all excited going on their honeymoon, you know, hit the key. Bam!! Ohh, ahh. Ha, ha, ha. I can give you lots more ideas but we’ll stop there.

Oklahoma City bombing was done on purpose. Did you know the Federal Government blew up their own building to blame it on the militias and to get rid of some people that weren't cooperating with the system?

What do HIV, West Nile Fever, Gulf war syndrome, chronic fatigue syndrome, multiple sclerosis, Wegener's disease, Parkinson's disease, Crohn's colitis, Type I diabetes, and collagen-vascular diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis and Alzheimer's have in common? These plagues were all developed as a joint effort by the money masters and governments of the world under the guise of biowarfare research. The bad guys who would like to have a one world government have learned a simple technique - you create a crisis and then the people will call for you to come solve the crisis. That’s why the Oklahoma City Bombing took place. They wanted to get the anti-terrorist bill passed through Congress. […..] Whenever there is a crisis like the Twin Towers getting blown up, you had just better look behind the scenes to see what is really happening. Why is this going on? There’s a reason for it, okay, it’s all part of a plan. […..] [American] Civil War was intentionally done, World War Two, the Great Depression, all these things are planned ahead of time and they are orchestrated to […..] cause a particular response amongst the people.

My take on what happened with the moon landing was [......] they suspect [sic] that on impact that the cameras would be damaged because back in 1969 cameras weren't, you know, like they are today, as good. So they had a studio set up at CBS to mimic the moon landing. And sure enough the cameras broke and so they flipped, you know, the CBS studio on. And what you saw of the footage of the '69 moon landing was actually at CBS studio.

Stanley Deyo, a Christian, is a genius who wrote the book [The Cosmic Conspiracy]. Way over my head. Deyo says that there are two kinds of UFOs. First, there are US government owned and operated UFOs. That really got my attention. The US government has UFOs? He said that the second kind is the satanically owned and operated UFOs. He says that Satan has always used that mode of transportation to get around because the devil [sic] can only be at one place at one time, whereas God is all places at all times. That may be far fetched, so please do not accuse me of saying this is true. I do not know if it is true, but it is an interesting theory.

The globalist, the Council of the Committee of Three Hundred, has as one of their goals to reduce the world population from six billion to one-half billion people. There are too many people here that cannot be controlled; so get rid of them. That's why AIDS was purposefully developed in a Maryland laboratory to wipe out population.

On August 6, a grand jury hears former White House intern Monica Lewinsky, reported to testify that she and President carried on a sexual affair. On August 7 two U.S. Embassies in Africa are bombed, steering the news headlines away from the Lewinsky affair. The attacks are later blamed on Osama bin Laden. Why would bin Laden time these attacks to divert attention away from the Clinton affair? This has never been explained.
[All] Dinosaurs have four perfectly good [quadruped] legs and birds have two legs and two wings. So if he’s going to turn into a bird his front legs are going to have to turn into wings [….] Somewhere along the line they’re going to be half leg and half wing. Which means now he can’t walk anymore and can’t fly yet.

Hey, did you know the word 'universe' comes from two Latin words? Uni means single and verse means a spoken sentence.

Those who have been in the [Noah’s] Ark, and many have been in the last couple hundred years ….

Einstein's theory was that the speed of light is a constant. Time is the variable. Maybe he was wrong. Maybe time is the constant and light is the variable.

I believe the Great Pyramid was built to be the Bible in stone. The Egyptians did not build it.

Therefore, there may not be any other stars in the solar system that have planets around them. Obviously, several different colors of people exist on the earth that have distinctive characteristics, but they are the same race. [.....] One theory says that Adam and Eve were medium-brown, possibly because they were made from the earth.

http://www.geocities.com/kenthovind/quotes/


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WOW, all this from a guy who posted that there were others around during the time of Adam and Eve's...allegorical creation...and they didn't receive souls.

All this from a guy who claims that the creation and the flood have both been proven to be scientifically impossible...yet claims that another scientifically impossible event...the resurrection, actually happened.
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So Ark Guy - you going to defend Hovind's nonsense or admit he's a crank?

Or do you prefer to make an ad hom attack on Vance instead to try to divert attention from the nonsense that YEC is?
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BTW, Karl, he is on my ignore list, so I never even know what he says unless someone quotes him. I have long since decided that he was simply not worth the time or effort. Not because of his YEC beliefs, of course. There are lots of YECs around, and he is the first person I have ever placed on an ignore list in any forum.
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Looks like vance got beat.

The problem is..the questions are much to difficult for vance to answer.
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The point of this thread, btw, was to inform people of the general "believability" of Hovind. Some things he says *may* be true, but based on what you can see here, nothing should be believed *because* he says it.

In other words, I wouldn't believe ANYTHING he said unless I heard it confirmed by a reliable source (even better, multiple reliable sources).
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Looks like vance got beat.

The problem is..the questions are much to difficult for vance to answer.
No, the problem is answering your questions is like hitting your head on a rock. Your head is going to break first, and you have nothing to show for it.
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Well, I have no idea what Ark Guy is talking about since I can only see what you quoted from him, but I think even the other YEC's on the group must be embarrassed by him at this point (if they have followed his posts for very long). I can't be bothered with him, but I should thank him because he is the greatest advocate AGAINST YEC'ism there could possibly be.

I can't imagine ANY intelligent person like Buck, for example, reading through his posts and saying "yeah, I want to be associated with THAT guy!" So, Ark Guy is doing his part against YEC'ism, even if unintentionally.
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I believe he thought that you putting him on your ignore list was a way of getting around answering his "tough" questions.

I do believe I put him in his place, however.
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Oh, gosh no, he never had any tough questions to answer. He just never liked that answers I gave. He is on my ignore list because I can only take so much of a person like him.

I think anyone who knows me here will attest that I have NEVER hesitated to deal with any issues raised, I just refuse to deal with a particular person who is not worth my time or energy to bother with.

Not all that complicated and even the most ardent YEC's would have to agree with me on this one.
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