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i can't just accept things. i have such a hard time with it. i always have to rationalize things within my own mind. i have to make God fit into my version of the universe. this is my problem, and i know it.
i believe in evolution, i believe the world is 13.6 trillion years old, i think we came from monkeys, i think the Bible isn't the oldest written document, i don't think humans started living with Adam, i think some people are born gay, i don't think Noah could have taken every animal on the ark, i don't believe in things and this scares me. it's all right there in the Bible, and i'm ashamed, scared, and disheartened that i can't believe some things. can anyone guide me a little with this? i just don't know.
a lot of times i turn to 2 Timothy 3:16
"Beyond all question, the mystery of Godliness is great:
He appeared in a body, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory."
that first part,
"...,the mystery of Godliness is great:..."
i guess is what we should worry about more than anything else.
but i still wonder.
You have heard of a man named Jesus who changed the world. After looking at ancient documentations about him, you have come to believe what he was preaching. You accept the fact that many people heard his messages, witnessed his miracles, and saw him resurrected. You read the Bible, close it, and straighten up to begin your spiritual journey. You are certain that the Truth is attainable, but you know it will take some seeking. You begin looking at scriptural interpretations and symbolism, and you begin studying the mysterious world in which you live.
You are sure of where you began, and you are sure of where you will go.
Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.
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Phred also makes a good point. If you choose Christianity, make a concerted effort to know why your a Christian. In that way, you will find what it means to spiritually grow.
You don't have to know all of the answers to be Christian. I certainly don't know anything about geology or archeology, my forte is computers and logic. So when I see people arguing about rock formations disproving the Bible, its hard sometimes to believe it.
There's still hope though, alot of scientific stuff has holes in it. Darwins theory has a "missing link" and the universe has a creation problem. Ask someone in this forum about these and they will argue with you until their fingers fall off. They have convincing arguments, but theres still missing things.
There is a HUGE amount of information the world, and not one person could know it all. The only way we understand what we do is because it is simple. That's why I like logic.
Take this statement for example: I am a male.
This statement has 2 possible answers. Either its true or false. There is a nearly endless amount of data supporting both sides.
Here's one supporting the truth: I can't give birth to a child. Here's one that doesn't support it: I have estrogen in my body.
Now, if I give enough of the untruth then people will start to think I'm a woman! That's what it feels like sometimes in these forums, and talking to evolutionists.
I hope this helps you in your views!
Last edited by jay_swift; 30th October 2003 at 05:42 PM.
Very few people argue about rock formations disproving the bible. They argue that rock formations disprove a literal interpretation of the bible. It is pretty much impossible to disprove the bible, but we can disprove interpretations. This of course, has no effect on the claim that the bible is "gods words" since what is being disproven is fallible mans interpretation of "gods words" and not the bible itself.
Careful about promoting god in the gaps. I wont comment much about the "missing link" but I will mention that many missing links and holes have been filled in recent years and I expect that to continue. You are right, we do not know first cause of the universe, and god could possibly be it, but we still dont know.
Originally Posted by jay_swift
You don't have to know all of the answers to be Christian. I certainly don't know anything about geology or archeology, my forte is computers and logic. So when I see people arguing about rock formations disproving the Bible, its hard sometimes to believe it.
There's still hope though, alot of scientific stuff has holes in it. Darwins theory has a "missing link" and the universe has a creation problem. Ask someone in this forum about these and they will argue with you until their fingers fall off. They have convincing arguments, but theres still missing things.
There is a HUGE amount of information the world, and not one person could know it all. The only way we understand what we do is because it is simple. That's why I like logic.
Take this statement for example: I am a male.
This statement has 2 possible answers. Either its true or false. There is a nearly endless amount of data supporting both sides.
Here's one supporting the truth: I can't give birth to a child. Here's one that doesn't support it: I have estrogen in my body.
Now, if I give enough of the untruth then people will start to think I'm a woman! That's what it feels like sometimes in these forums, and talking to evolutionists.
There are no theories against god. Contrary to what many anti christians and christian fundementalists (its ironic that the two groups agree ) Try to pretend, there are no theories against god.
There are only theories against what people thing god did. Theories against falible interpretations of gods words.
However, its important to note that the only thing that pushes god out of science is the god in the gaps mentality. In god in the gaps, you place god in the gaps of your knowledge and often say "god did it and not nature"
However, if god created everything then doesn't god control nature as well?
So, science can be viewed as the study of gods work. However god in the gaps often tries to promote a strugle between god and science, and tries to shove god places that we probably shouldn't be shoving him.
The theories only compete with god when you believe that science is atheistic, luckily that is not true.
Originally Posted by jay_swift
It is the gaps that promote doubt in the theories against God.
:rolleyes: 
) Try to pretend, there are no theories against god.
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