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Old 30th October 2003, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Arikay
There are no theories against god.
As is my understanding, if Darwinism is true then there is no Christian God. Common descent says everything started from one single organism. The Bible, however, says that God created all living creatures... then Adam named them. That theory is against God.

Science isn't athiestic, but many of the theories assume it is.
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Not true on both counts.

If the Theory of Evolution is true, then your View of the christian god needs to change, but it does not destroy the christian god.
The Theory of Evolution challenges your interpretation of the writting, the literal interpretation.
Tell me, do you believe that you have read the bible infallibly and that your interpretation that genesis is literal is the correct interpretation? Or could you be mistaken?

Can you also explain to me, why god could not have used evolution to create? Beyond that, what is the meaning of time to god? If time was meaningless and he can see everything from begining to end, would it not appear that he created all animals and that man named them, all in an instant? But to us it appears to have taken a long time. Would it then make sense for god to just give a quick explination that was true in a way, to a group of people who had very scientific knowledge?
Could the story of adam and eve have been written to have a deeper meaning when we were able to figure out that it was non literal? Or does it lose all meaning?


Very few theories are atheistic (if any). As I mentioned, science challenges your interpretation of the bible and your interpretation of god. Your interpretation of these things, and these things themselves, are seperate.

Just remember, anti christians would LOVE for you to be right, they would LOVE for science to be able to destroy the christian god, some even think it does. Luckily for christianity, it is not true.


Yes, lots of questions, but some things to think about.

Originally Posted by jay_swift
As is my understanding, if Darwinism is true then there is no Christian God. Common descent says everything started from one single organism. The Bible, however, says that God created all living creatures... then Adam named them. That theory is against God.

Science isn't athiestic, but many of the theories assume it is.
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Arikay,

I never thought of that. If God is outside of time, he could look at all of time in an instant. Certainly, if he created one thing, he didn't just create one thing, but a whole plethora of incidents in time.
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Its like looking at a printed picture. God says he created the pictures (all animals).

We are sitting on the ink jet, and we see each dot of the picture formed at a different time. Thus we see each animal being created one at a time, in a rather slow proccess. But for god, he sees the printer zip out the picture, (and well, he sees each dot being printed, but its hard to give a good example when dealing with omnipotence).

Now, if you were god, and you wanted to explain your position about the picture you made how would you do it? When writting the bible and explaining your part in the picture would you,

A) go into major detail about how the printer creates each dot one at a time over the course of awhile, and it eventually blends to a picture.

B) go into slight detail about how the printer creates the picture.

C) Say that you created the full finished picture, and then talk about what that means.


Ok, so its not the best example, but my guess would be, unless god was writting a technical printer manual, that he would skim over the details of how it was created and jump to the more important part, It was ALL created, by him, because...

If any of that makes sense.


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Arikay,

I never thought of that. If God is outside of time, he could look at all of time in an instant. Certainly, if he created one thing, he didn't just create one thing, but a whole plethora of incidents in time.
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yeah...what exactly is one "day" of eternity?
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yeah...what exactly is one "day" of eternity?
That is anyone's guess, but I like how you put it. Time is, or will be, an eternity. Obviously, the days in an eternal realm would be significantly longer to the one who divides time for an eternal abode. I suppose, when the resurrection comes, we will, afterwards, be in constant use of these age-days used by God.
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Most of religion is window dressing. Dogma, ritual, and prayer are just so much stinking dung. What is needful is simple. If you aren't doing what is needful, you're just hinding in a dung-hill.

KJV Micah 6:8
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
It specifically doesn't say that we are required to believe nonsense.

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KJV Micah 6:8
It specifically doesn't say that we are required to believe nonsense.

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Perfect. And its Old Testament too.
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I'm very impressed with your post in response to mine, Arikay! Very deep indeed.

Originally Posted by Arikay
If the Theory of Evolution is true, then your View of the christian god needs to change... The Theory of Evolution challenges your interpretation of the writting, the literal interpretation.
If I don't believe the literal interpretation, then I don't think I would be a real Christian. If I got to pick and chose which parts of the Bible were true and which were for the sake of the overall story, then what's stopping me from saying The Commandments were wrong? (There might be some theory that contradicts a passage) Plus if I buckle under every hard question about the Bible, do I really believe what it says?
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