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Old 23rd December 2007, 02:08 PM
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Ellen G. White -- the Myth and the Truth
by . Kaspersen

11 -The Mormon connection

Documentation has been uncovered, showing James and Ellen White participating in extreme, fanatical movements in the years following the "great disappointment", and other documentation shows that Ellen White did not follow her own "heaven-sent" counsels, at the same time condemning others for not heeding them.

At this time the connection between Ellen White's early visions and experiences and Joseph Smith's ditto has been placed under the spotlight. And what has been discovered, is alarming from an adventist point of view.

It has been claimed that the adventist teaching on "the Investigative judgment" in fact has been derived from Joseph Smith. The Mormon prophet also claimed that the tower of Babel was built before the Flood. Ellen White probably borrowed this information from Smith when she put it into Spiritual Gifts - which says that the tower of Babel was built before the Flood (Vol. 3, p. 301). This of course is not in harmony with Scripture.

In his book Ellen G. White & Inspiration, Maurice Barnett says, after having compared Ellen White's first vision with the visions of William Foy (where the similarities are striking),

"Similar likenesses can be made between Ellen White and Joseph Smith of Mormonism. She also borrowed from Mormon standard works. Joseph Smith was killed in the Summer of 1844, bringing him more national attention right at the height of Millerite expectations. One researcher points out that Ellen White especially liked the book of Alma in the Book of Mormon." (Maurice Barnett, Ellen White & Inspiration, p. 41. Emphasis supplied.)

Researchers in the Mormon Church are beginning to get their eyes opened for these things, and are making their own research. These scholars have access to the mormon genealogies, and will probably come up with some amazing documentation showing the connection between the early Mormon Church and the early Adventist Church. They will document that several well known early adventist pioneers had close relations with well known mormon leaders.

There are many things adventists do not know about early adventism and their prophetess - information which now begins to come out of the closet. Maybe what we have been learning so far is just the tip of the iceberg.

The Seventh-Day Adventist Church is well aware that a bomb may detonate in the near future, and is making preparations by publishing books which they hope will soften the effects of the explosion. The Bible however says that all that have been hidden in darkness will be brought to light (1 Cor. 4:5), and this is happening these days. The amount of long hidden documentation on Ellen White and early adventism is increasing, and the Seventh-Day Adventist Church is unable to stem the tide other than denying and explaining away and blackmail people who are uncovering long hidden, embarassing documentation. When I say documentation, I do not mean the stereotyped, glossy pictures, but information which places both Ellen White and early adventism in a somewhat surprising new light.


A PROPHET, A PREACHER AND THE "PEARL OF GREAT PRICE"
SECTION ONE

Similarities Between James and Ellen G. White's
Suppressed 1880 Edition of "Life Sketches"
and
"Testimonies for the Church"
with
Joseph Smith's "Pearl of Great Price"
in
"The Book of Mormon"


"Do not borrow the production of other men's brains and pens." Ellen G. White; quoted in "Ministry," July, 1955

http://www.caic.org.au/biblebase/sda/egw-js1.htm

Was anyone else aware of this? Could it be we have more in common with the Mormons than we care to admit?

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Old 23rd December 2007, 03:11 PM
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I have only read the first two sections so far but...er...it is pretty dumb. The similarities are completely coincidental so far. Maybe it gets better. But pointing out that both said "I was born" etc. is kind of silly.
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The passion and willful blindness in the ignorant rants against Sister White that the Subversives release in their propaganda war is truly astounding.

Prophecy is now fulfilled. As it is written, "There will be a hatred kindled against the testimonies which is satanic." Selected Messages Book 1 (1958), p. 48.
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Originally Posted by Bourbaki View Post
The passion and willful blindness in the ignorant rants against Sister White that the Subversives release in their propaganda war is truly astounding.

Prophecy is now fulfilled. As it is written, "There will be a hatred kindled against the testimonies which is satanic." Selected Messages Book 1 (1958), p. 48.
stumbled across a satanic looking website... you might want to go straighten them out...

http://www.everythingimportant.org/gospel/7faces.htm
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NightEternal quoted the following in his OP:
The Mormon prophet also claimed that the tower of Babel was built before the Flood. Ellen White probably borrowed this information from Smith when she put it into Spiritual Gifts - which says that the tower of Babel was built before the Flood (Vol. 3, p. 301).

They seemed to have based this on the following EGW quote:
The Lord first established the system of sacrificial offerings with Adam after his fall, which he taught to his descendants. This system was corrupted before the flood by those who separated themselves from the faithful followers of God, and engaged in the building of the tower of Babel.
Here is another EGW quote that clearly refutes their claim:
Ancient Infidelity.--The dwellers on the plain of Shinar disbelieved God's covenant that he would not again bring a flood upon the earth. Many of them denied the existence of God, and attributed the flood to the operation of natural causes. Others believed in a supreme being, and that it was he who had destroyed the antediluvian world; and their hearts, like that of Cain, rose up in rebellion against him. One object before them in the erection of the tower of Babel was to secure their own safety in case of another deluge. By carrying the structure to a much greater height than was reached by the waters of the flood, they thought to place themselves beyond all possibility of danger. And as they would be able to ascend to the region of the clouds, they hoped to ascertain the cause of the flood. The whole undertaking was designed to exalt still further the pride of its projectors, and to turn the minds of future generations away from God, and lead them into idolatry. --"Patriarchs and Prophets," p. 119.
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I know there is a rule about promoting personal websites on CF. Is Eugene a special exception or are the mods just sleeping?
There is no specific prohibition against that now. This is the current spam rule:

Don't spam in threads or sigs, don't promote get rich quick schemes anywhere on the site.
As with many other things, the mods have a lot of discretion nowadays in determining what constitutes spam.
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Joseph Smith definitely did not teach that the Tower of Babel preceded the flood. Such a claim would have directly contradicted the Book of Mormon.

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Joseph Smith definitely did not teach that the Tower of Babel preceded the flood. Such a claim would have directly contradicted the Book of Mormon.

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If that is also true, then the credibility of this article is definitely not very good at all.
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