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27th October 2003, 09:28 AM
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How come we know we are naked, and cover up? Since the beginning of time, people have worn clothes, even in areas where their life didn't depend on it. (I wouldn't expect an eskimo to strip  )
I was wondering how evolutionists answer this question, because it just doesn't make sense that every other animal in the world could care less if they are "exposed", so why do we?
This is yet another example of proof that we have a soul apart from animals, and it is sinful. All these questions are easily answered if we go back to Genesis.
Genesis 3:10-11
He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid." And God said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?"
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27th October 2003, 10:04 AM
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Reps: 207 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Raterus How come we know we are naked, and cover up? Since the beginning of time, people have worn clothes, even in areas where their life didn't depend on it. (I wouldn't expect an eskimo to strip )
I was wondering how evolutionists answer this question, because it just doesn't make sense that every other animal in the world could care less if they are "exposed", so why do we?
This is yet another example of proof that we have a soul apart from animals, and it is sinful. All these questions are easily answered if we go back to Genesis.
Genesis 3:10-11
He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid." And God said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?"
--Michael
Since the beginning of time? Certainly science would not agree. In fact, if you think about human physiology, we are clearly adapted to tropical climates where clothing would *not* be necessary. So evolution would say that, at one time, the human species that exists today would have disseminated from a tropical climate like this...without clothes. As we moved into more harsh climates, we adapted our behaviour in order to survive....and wore furs, etc. I think its clear in the geological record that humans are not indigenous to non-tropical climates. Anyway, the notion of 'clothing' has very little to do with the *theology* of Genesis.
Genesis uses the example of nakedness to indicate that we now had lost *trust* both in each other and in God by ignoring God's boundaries...including sexual trust...so we covered up and hid from God (now we have *fear* as well). Again, the theology is weak if you think about it literally. Also, we should dispense with the notion that Adam and Eve are characters that have long since vanished. Every man is Adam (even today) and every woman is Eve. And the choice described in Genesis (the 'fall') has been made, and *we are still making it*...this is why we share in the consequences. Thus, we *still* have trust issues and we *still* hide from God, and we *still* ignore his boundaries...and this leads to spiritual death. This encapsulates the human condition and the sinful nature eluded to in Genesis.
I'm not sure where the 'proof' of the soul comes in all this.  |
27th October 2003, 10:14 AM
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The stories in the bible seem to me like those guys trying to explain what they couldn't understand. "Why wear clothes?" The only answer that most people could come up with back then was that a divine being made them wear clothes.
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27th October 2003, 10:40 AM
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Reps: 123 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by ObbiQuiet Also note that there are nudist colonies, where people walk around totally confortable that they are naked.
The stories in the bible seem to me like those guys trying to explain what they couldn't understand. "Why wear clothes?" The only answer that most people could come up with back then was that a divine being made them wear clothes.
Heh, but are you comfortable not wearing clothes? Why don't you got to school one day naked, see how that goes. You can't, you won't, because you know better..why?
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27th October 2003, 10:52 AM
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Reps: 66 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Raterus Heh, but are you comfortable not wearing clothes? Why don't you got to school one day naked, see how that goes. You can't, you won't, because you know better..why?
Becuase it's in our culture to be embarassed my nakedness. However look at the people in Amazonas, several tribes tend to walk around nude... Or we could just take it abit closer, Swedes are for example alot less embarassed than British people and the Finns are even worse than us .
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27th October 2003, 11:06 AM
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Reps: 207 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Raterus Heh, but are you comfortable not wearing clothes? Why don't you got to school one day naked, see how that goes. You can't, you won't, because you know better..why?
I'm sure Obbi will answer for himself...but I hope you guys don't mind my 2 cents:
Our society is sexually repressed (and sexually immoral)...this is probably why most people 'know better'. I'm sorry Raterus, I just don't see your point with this. Would you mind clarifying things? |
27th October 2003, 11:29 AM
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Reps: 3,122 (power: 16) | | Originally Posted by Raterus Heh, but are you comfortable not wearing clothes? Why don't you got to school one day naked, see how that goes. You can't, you won't, because you know better..why?
I won't because I want to fit in socially, and I have been raised wearing clothes, to look away when another person's naked. If I grew up never wearing clothes, I wouldn't think anything of it if I didn't.
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27th October 2003, 11:42 AM
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Reps: 123 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Mike Flynn I'm sure Obbi will answer for himself...but I hope you guys don't mind my 2 cents:
Our society is sexually repressed (and sexually immoral)...this is probably why most people 'know better'. I'm sorry Raterus, I just don't see your point with this. Would you mind clarifying things?
I'm trying to get at the root of why we wear clothes, and why are we embarrased to be seen without them? For example (a personal one on my account), when you were young taking a shower and your older sister would come in and open the shower curtain very quickly and start laughing. You would probably scream, cry, yell "Get out". Why? That doesn't have anything to do with fitting into society, or climate restrictions, etc. Why do humans wear clothes, but apes and monkeys don't!
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27th October 2003, 11:46 AM
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Reps: 123 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Taffsadar Becuase it's in our culture to be embarassed my nakedness. However look at the people in Amazonas, several tribes tend to walk around nude...
It is true that these remote tribes appear to walk around quite naked, but I've talked with a missionary who worked with these tribes, I'll assure you they are quite modest. Instead of our culture where women's breasts are sexually appealing, some cultures find thighs attractive, so you will find them covering them up with grass skirts. And for the men, they front might be barely covered, but the back is what they really are embarrased about! You are right, society does play a difference, but do you know of a society that wears absolutely no clothes (and not for some political or religious reason either)
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27th October 2003, 11:52 AM
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Reps: 123 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by ObbiQuiet If I grew up never wearing clothes, I wouldn't think anything of it if I didn't.
I doubt it, if you have ever been around a boy and a girl close in age whose parents bathe them together, eventually one of them won't want the other to see their "stuff"  Again...why is that?
Something in their mind tells them they shouldn't be naked (and it's not the parents, any parent will know getting two baths in one tub is great, and the longer the better that this can go on!)
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