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11th December 2007, 05:02 PM
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Reps: 128,171,685,682,315,200 (power: 128,171,685,682,337) | | Originally Posted by DaSeminarian  Let me guess... You come back from Vicarage all pumped up and really wanting to get into your own parish, but instead you are stuck here in school for another whole year. Is that close?
Close. 
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12th December 2007, 10:37 AM
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Reps: 10,897,307,861,261,496 (power: 10,897,307,861,268) | | Originally Posted by DaSeminarian Let me guess... You come back from Vicarage all pumped up and really wanting to get into your own parish, but instead you are stuck here in school for another whole year. Is that close?
So LCMS sends the student back to school after vicarage? How long is your vicarage?
In the ELS, the student vicars for 1 year - that is their last year of seminary, and then they get their first assignment as a pastor (for 1 yr) - they have no choice as to where they will go, I don't believe - the Seminary tries to put them where they feel will be the best 'fit'. |
12th December 2007, 12:00 PM
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Reps: 128,171,685,682,315,200 (power: 128,171,685,682,337) | | Originally Posted by LutheranChick So LCMS sends the student back to school after vicarage? How long is your vicarage?
In the ELS, the student vicars for 1 year - that is their last year of seminary, and then they get their first assignment as a pastor (for 1 yr) - they have no choice as to where they will go, I don't believe - the Seminary tries to put them where they feel will be the best 'fit'.
Vicarage is typically 12 months and normally occurs during the third year of seminary. The reason for this is there are a few classes that Vicarage is a prerequisite for.
Now, there are exceptions to this. In the Alternate Route (non-degree) program, the student attends classes for 2 years and then is placed in his congregation first as a vicar or 1 year and then is ordained. There is also what is called "convertible vicarages" where an MDiv student will do three years at seminary and then be placed at his first call, first as a vicar for one year and then ordained. Convertible vicarages are rare and require a specific set of circumstances. The norm for MDiv students is vicarage durinb the 3rd year.
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12th December 2007, 12:07 PM
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In rare cases, we have seminary students who get ordained early so they can serve an emergency call, but I haven't heard of that happening lately.
My husband loved his vicar year. Said he learned way more in that one year than he could've hoped to learn in seminary. He had a good teacher, apparently!
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12th December 2007, 12:39 PM
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12th December 2007, 02:20 PM
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Reps: 11,734,899,034,501 (power: 11,734,899,041) | | Originally Posted by DaRev The only one's I know of who were interviewed prior to their first call from seminary were those who were engaged in some special ministry situation. The fact is that we have no say and no idea where our first call will be until Call Day when they call your names and hand you your first call. And it is strongly inadvisible to turn down your first call because you may not get another one. You really have little to no say in the matter. And don't even think about saying "I don't want such and such" because you are likely to get just that.
And I'm still curious as to why you have a monstrance next to your CF character.
It's just I have seen my Pastor struggle for years to get weekly communion at a pretty confessional church. I could handle that, but having to show people that a contemporary service is bad...that would be years upon years. I guess if you have to accept the call even if the parish does have a contemporary service, I would. It seems like it would be crushing to go through so much education to be a Pastor and end up with a praise band. I'm gagging right now just thinking about it. Oh and the monstrance looks cool, just assume theres nothing in it .
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12th December 2007, 02:36 PM
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Reps: 128,171,685,682,315,200 (power: 128,171,685,682,337) | | Originally Posted by NordicLutheran It's just I have seen my Pastor struggle for years to get weekly communion at a pretty confessional church. I could handle that, but having to show people that a contemporary service is bad...that would be years upon years. I guess if you have to accept the call even if the parish does have a contemporary service, I would. It seems like it would be crushing to go through so much education to be a Pastor and end up with a praise band. I'm gagging right now just thinking about it. Oh and the monstrance looks cool, just assume theres nothing in it .
What's worse is to go through seminary and then have your church members tell you that what you learn at seminary is wrong and you have to do it their way.  Talk about clashes.
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12th December 2007, 03:53 PM
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Reps: 52,174,240,035,298,640 (power: 52,174,240,035,314) | | Originally Posted by NordicLutheran It's just I have seen my Pastor struggle for years to get weekly communion at a pretty confessional church. I could handle that, but having to show people that a contemporary service is bad...that would be years upon years. I guess if you have to accept the call even if the parish does have a contemporary service, I would. It seems like it would be crushing to go through so much education to be a Pastor and end up with a praise band. I'm gagging right now just thinking about it.
Actually continuing Bible study and catechetical instruction with reference to worship, it can happen in 2-3 years. On the larger scale of time, that is relatively short.
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14th December 2007, 03:10 PM
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Reps: 11,734,899,034,501 (power: 11,734,899,041) | | | Well I can see some hope even if I do get a call to a Church with a contemporary worship service. Sweet! Does the LCMS view the Divine Service as the only way to adminster the Sacrament of the Altar? If not what are the guidelines for a contemporary service, and can we hope for a future with no contemporary services?
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