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27th December 2003, 11:23 PM
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we take away his BASS PEDAL....
it works, dunno why. just dont give it back to him.! 
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3rd January 2004, 11:10 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | | Out towels in the bass drum and tape pieces of parer towels to the bottome of each drum. It will muffle the sound and it's free.
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20th January 2004, 03:11 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | | It sounds to me like the Drummer don't now what Dynamics are or choose not to use them while playing.
Drumming is not about pounding the tar out of the drums. It's about playing tastefully. Loud when appropriate and soft etc. |
20th January 2004, 09:45 PM
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Reps: 1,832 (power: 10) | | totally agree with drummermom...now all i have to do is work up my endurance and play with more volume when i need to 
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21st January 2004, 08:51 AM
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Reps: 83,781,094 (power: 83,795) | | Simple answer... just turn all your instruments up as loud as you can and drown him out. You might even get those neighbors you havn't seen in 3 years to come over and listen and maybe help scream along.
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26th January 2004, 11:12 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | | [You need a percussionist, not a drummer.]
That is very, very wrong. Percussionists are for symphonys and effects. But i understand why you have that concern. Many drummers say they can play drums and dont take lessons. I believe that taking lessons is the only way to learn how to play drums. If they dont take lessons they need to, if they do take lessons, they will learn dymnamics, ect., the thing is, there is not much change in dynamics in a song that uses a drum set. The loudness will go away after time and the guitar,ect. will be overpowering. The best thing to do is mike the drumset. But remember, without the drummer you cant perform well, the drummer is the backbone of the band aka. YOU NEED A DRUMMER (i know, sometimes it is annoying, but you have to deal with it) and also drums should not be overpowering, but they should be clearly heard over everything else. |
3rd February 2004, 10:22 AM
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Reps: 21 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by 72_Chev_Truck ARG WRONG ANSWER 
You need a percussionist, not a drummer. I am a percussionist as the ministry leader of Heart song says. A drummer doesnt know when to slow down or speed up, a drummer doesnt know anything about dynamics. A drummer doesnt know what goes well with a song. A drummer doesnt know when to drop out when he or she needs to.
A percussionist knows all these tricks. A percussionist can read the music and play it. A percussionist can feel the music. (what I do) A percussionist can be loud quiet or anywhere in between to mix.
So i would say change the drummer to someone that has matured into a percussionist or train him to be a percussionist.
PS. im not trying to hold over anyone that I'm better then anyone. I'm just stating what I believe a drummer needs to be, A PERCUSSIONIST.
Yes, there's definitely a distinction. drummer != percussionist :-p
I've performed with symhony orchestras and the worship band at my church. The point is you need someone who can listen well and play cohesively in an ensemble, whether it be a symphony orchestra or a small band. The performance must be tasteful and appropriate. Percussionists have training and experience in this area.
Percussionists are not just for symphony orchestras. A drummer would be out of place there, but a percussionist would function in either capacity..and well. Now, there are extremes; some percussionists concentrate on certain areas of orchestral performance, while many are experienced in various areas of percussion, including performing in a band.
It comes down to the degree of musicality in the performer.
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3rd February 2004, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by drummer_for_christ [You need a percussionist, not a drummer.]
That is very, very wrong. Percussionists are for symphonys and effects. But i understand why you have that concern. Many drummers say they can play drums and dont take lessons. I believe that taking lessons is the only way to learn how to play drums. If they dont take lessons they need to, if they do take lessons, they will learn dymnamics, ect., the thing is, there is not much change in dynamics in a song that uses a drum set. The loudness will go away after time and the guitar,ect. will be overpowering. The best thing to do is mike the drumset. But remember, without the drummer you cant perform well, the drummer is the backbone of the band aka. YOU NEED A DRUMMER (i know, sometimes it is annoying, but you have to deal with it) and also drums should not be overpowering, but they should be clearly heard over everything else.
How do you figure its wrong? Im sorry but I think your wrong. Just taking lessons or teaching yourself makes you a drummer. but only that and sometimes not even a good one. A percussionist is seasoned in all areas of musical unfluence, they know when to be loud when to be quiet, they know when something can be added and when it cant. A PERCUSSIONIST KNOWS DYNAMICS, where as a drummer mostly just bangs as loud as they can because they think its "cool" Im sorry but this is the way it is, a percussionist IS the way to go. A percussionist can play in a full orchestra, a 3 piece wind ensemble, or in a full out rock band. Different venues require different ammounts of sound to match up with the PA equipment. Miking the drumset is never required in a small venue because if its too loud the sound guy in the back of the room CANT TURN IT DOWN ANYMORE.
I agree with dotcomguy on this, he knows as I do.
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4th February 2004, 11:08 AM
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He needs to learn dynamics. Short of that, and without a drum shield there isn't much you can do unless you muffle his drums. |
4th February 2004, 11:30 AM
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Reps: 21 (power: 0) | | | Have you ever recorded any of your rehearsals? Listening to each other and critiquing each other can be very beneficial. Perhaps he doesn't realize how bad it sounds from where he sits, but if he's any kind of musician, a recording that demonstrates how off-balance his playing is and everyone agreeing that it's too loud should help him realize he needs to change the way he plays. Sitting and just listening to a recording is a different perspective than one has during a performance. You can pick out things you didn't notice before and help each other to improve.
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