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26th November 2007, 02:37 PM
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26th November 2007, 02:50 PM
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I agree that at least the Roman Books are Scripture. But frankly its pretty hard to figure out the rest.
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26th November 2007, 03:44 PM
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26th November 2007, 03:52 PM
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I know the 66 protestant books to be Scripture. I'm pretty sure about the roman canon, and the rest is hazy.
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26th November 2007, 04:01 PM
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26th November 2007, 04:27 PM
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Reps: 577,272,933,530,592,768 (power: 577,272,933,530,619) | | Originally Posted by Colabomb  Which ones glenn? The Ethiopian Canon? The Roman Canon? The EO canon?
Since the Septuagint was the Bible that the Apostles used and it is the Bible that was most quoted from by the Fathers, it seems logical that the books contained therein are Scripture unless the Church deemed otherwise. Likewise, those books not present therein are not Scripture unless the Church deemed otherwise.
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26th November 2007, 04:38 PM
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Reps: 686,314,855,663,773,952 (power: 686,314,855,663,814) | | Originally Posted by PaladinValer Since the Septuagint was the Bible that the Apostles used and it is the Bible that was most quoted from by the Fathers, it seems logical that the books contained therein are Scripture unless the Church deemed otherwise. Likewise, those books not present therein are not Scripture unless the Church deemed otherwise.
And the LXX corresponds to the EO canon? Which only a small proportion of the church uses?
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26th November 2007, 04:50 PM
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Reps: 577,272,933,530,592,768 (power: 577,272,933,530,619) | | Originally Posted by ebia And the LXX corresponds to the EO canon? Which only a small proportion of the church uses?
So the masses are always correct?
In any case, the Anglican Church also uses those books in our Office or Lectionary. So it isn't just the EOs.
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26th November 2007, 04:54 PM
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Reps: 28,749,144,944,440,196 (power: 28,749,144,944,449) | | Originally Posted by PaladinValer Since the Septuagint was the Bible that the Apostles used and it is the Bible that was most quoted from by the Fathers, it seems logical that the books contained therein are Scripture unless the Church deemed otherwise. Likewise, those books not present therein are not Scripture unless the Church deemed otherwise.
But one of the most quoted texts outside of the Tanakh - by both the Church Fathers and indeed the Apostles - was the Ethiopic Book of Enoch, which of course is not part the received canon of the Septuagint.
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26th November 2007, 04:55 PM
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Reps: 2,755,407,900,167,334 (power: 2,755,407,900,186) | | Originally Posted by PaladinValer So the masses are always correct?
In any case, the Anglican Church also uses those books in our Office or Lectionary. So it isn't just the EOs.
we use them in our lectionary, but the church never officially counts them as Scripture, or denies them as such.
Also, the church of england has clearly stated that the books are not scripture in their churches.
You know the anglican policies on things are quite convoluted. Just because something is clear to anglocatholicism, does not make it clear to anglicanism.
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