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The doctrine of Original Sin and evolution are by far most likely the hardest ideas to reconcile in Christian theology. Evolutionary theory refutes the notion that Original Sin brought discord, death and chaos into an initially perfect creation of harmony and equilibrium.
French philosopher and priest Piere Teilhard di Chardin attempted to accommodate the two in the formulation of his theology and called the evil the "unavoidable by-product of a universe in course of unification in God."
How do we reconcile evolution and Original Sin? Or perhaps, if one accepts evolution as the underlying creative and formative process, how do we explain sin? |
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How does evolutionary theory refute this? I don't think it has anything to do with it. |
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How does evolutionary theory refute this? I don't think it has anything to do with it.
Well, evolutionary theory portrays Original Sin as non-existent as it contends that discord, chaos and evil pre-date the existence of man AND is also necessary for progress. On the other hand, the notion of Original Sin holds that it was the first sin that brought discord, chaos and evil into the world. The two ideas oppose each other. |
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Reps: 22,627,399,350,966,212 (power: 22,627,399,350,972) | | Well, it is true that discord, chaos and evil pre-date the existence of man, since Lucifer rebelled and all creatures on earth during the preAdamic age. This is why God judged the earth (void - Gen 1:2).
But sin came into MAN during the fall in Gen 3. In the garden God was everything to man - his protection, maintenance, supply and amusement. When man lost God, he lost everything.
Man's loss of God forced man to invent human culture, the main elements of which were cities for existence, cattle-raising for making a living, music for amusements, and weapons for defense (Gen 4:20-22 Cain's descendants).
So, so called human progress did came in  ... but a invented godless human culture... |
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9th January 2008, 03:51 PM
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Reps: 30 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by bjspurple Or perhaps, if one accepts evolution as the underlying creative and formative process, how do we explain sin?
Why does one need to explain "sin" if one possesses the mental rationality to comprehend evolution?
Why does the fact that every human is capable of doing 'bad' things as well as good demand any inately supernatural explanation?
~~~ Originally Posted by holyrokker I reject the notions of both evolution and original sin.
On what grounds?
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Reps: 18,719 (power: 24) | | Originally Posted by bjspurple The doctrine of Original Sin and evolution are by far most likely the hardest ideas to reconcile in Christian theology. Evolutionary theory refutes the notion that Original Sin brought discord, death and chaos into an initially perfect creation of harmony and equilibrium.
French philosopher and priest Piere Teilhard di Chardin attempted to accommodate the two in the formulation of his theology and called the evil the "unavoidable by-product of a universe in course of unification in God."
How do we reconcile evolution and Original Sin? Or perhaps, if one accepts evolution as the underlying creative and formative process, how do we explain sin?
Evolution, original sin... what was in the beginning? the chicken or the egg?
Scientists who understand the laws of thermodynamics should have an understanding that some things have no beginning. The laws of conservation of mass, the conservation of energy. Some things have no beginning - they change from one form to another, but there was never a time of nothingness - for something does not come from nothing. To the evolutionists - mass has no beginning, energy has no beginning - why does life have to have a beginning? I propose that life has always existed, just as energy and mass have always been around.
As for the origin of evil - it does not exist - evil has no origin - no begining. John1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. If it was “made” it was made by Him, however, some things are not made – some things exist without a beginning, they are self-existent. 5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. - Jeremiah1:5 Our birth was not our beginning… Part of us had no beginning. 8 But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand. - Isaiah64:8 The potter did not make the clay… but we can become His creation.
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Many scientists now reject the theory outright as more and more evidence (or lack thereof) comes to light disproving it. Those who still believe it do so more out of a misplaced faith than because of the evidence. It has achieved a religious status of sorts.
Anyway, there is no need to reconcile Christianity with evolution because evolution is a crock 
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On what grounds?
Based on the fact that I haven't seen sufficient evidence for either theory to convince me that they could be true.
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Reps: 167,870,861,966,192 (power: 167,870,861,979) | | Originally Posted by bjspurple The doctrine of Original Sin and evolution are by far most likely the hardest ideas to reconcile in Christian theology. Evolutionary theory refutes the notion that Original Sin brought discord, death and chaos into an initially perfect creation of harmony and equilibrium.
French philosopher and priest Piere Teilhard di Chardin attempted to accommodate the two in the formulation of his theology and called the evil the "unavoidable by-product of a universe in course of unification in God."
How do we reconcile evolution and Original Sin? Or perhaps, if one accepts evolution as the underlying creative and formative process, how do we explain sin?
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