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20th October 2003, 04:11 PM
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What's next, bondage barbie? Honestly some of these things really annoy me. Consumerism is a nasty, horrible thing. |
20th October 2003, 04:15 PM
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Reps: 15,890 (power: 33) | | | Oh please..."witchcraft" has nothing to do with making love potions, or spending money on silly Barbie dolls.
I agree with Phoenix...I'm offended by the blatant consumerism (and the idea that drinking sugar water is good for you) of this doll. It's far worse than anything else about it.
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20th October 2003, 04:30 PM
| | | Wiccan barbie? The perfect thing to take to the next spiral scouts meeting!!!  http://www.spiralscouts.org/
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20th October 2003, 04:36 PM
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Reps: 30 (power: 0) | | Wiccan Barbie...You should always read the fine print before you label your disgust.... "Barbie (registration symbol) is a registered trademark of the Mattel Corporation and the image of Barbie may be protected under copyrights or trade dress of the Mattel Corporation. The work appearing on this website are a parody of Barbie and the values she represents. Accordingly, references to Barbie and depictions of Barbie in these works are descriptive of the contents of the work and are made under the fair use provision of U.S. copyright law which protects the unauthorized creation of a derivative work "for purposes such as criticism (and) comment." The U.S. Supreme Court held that parody may be considered as a "fair use" of copyright in Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, Inc., 510 U.S. 569 (1994). Neither this website nor the content of this website is in any way sanctioned, sponsored or approved by the Mattel Corporation. The Mattel Corporation has not in any way authorized this website or the content of this website."
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20th October 2003, 05:48 PM
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Reps: 273 (power: 0) | | | I think it's both versions (Secret Spell and Wiccan Barbie) that they are worked up about, although... I still don't really understand why. As a card carrying Pagan myself... I can tell you that neither Barbie would influence a child to actual Paganism. Might make them romantisize it for a bit and ponder it, but the reality is nothing like the doll and once they realized that they probably would just throw the doll away and move on with life.
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20th October 2003, 08:08 PM
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Reps: 9,311,669,886,675,212 (power: 9,311,669,886,694) | | Originally Posted by Zoot It's lucky no Wiccan Barbie actually exists. Children would end up growing up to be Wiccans! God knows I wish someone had got to my sister in time, before her toys influenced her. But, alas, she is now a My Little Pony. Fortunately, I'm now a tranforming robot, so it doesn't really bother me.  Hehehehe, oh man. *wipes tear from eye*
Good thing I wasn't drinking anything when reading that last sentence or it would've ended up all over my monitor.
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20th October 2003, 08:19 PM
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Reps: 33,621 (power: 56) | | Originally Posted by Mylinkay Asdara I think it's both versions (Secret Spell and Wiccan Barbie) that they are worked up about, although... I still don't really understand why. As a card carrying Pagan myself... I can tell you that neither Barbie would influence a child to actual Paganism. Might make them romantisize it for a bit and ponder it, but the reality is nothing like the doll and once they realized that they probably would just throw the doll away and move on with life.
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21st October 2003, 07:15 AM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by notto Do YOU have a dragonfly?
Heh. Only one of the dolls has a dragonfly. The other has a butterfly, and the third has a bird.
I went to the toystore and everything I told you in the first post is correct, right down to "It's a night of white magic and spells for the Secret Spells trio!". Mattel knows exactly what they have done - they have created a doll patterned after a Wiccan. I tried to find the bible-carrying Barbie but there isn't one.
If there's no problem with Barbie practicing witchcraft, why does she have to hide it? Quote from the box: "No one suspects that this ordinary school girl, is actually one of the Secret Spells girls!" Another quote from the box: "Barbie hides magic supplies in a trick school book!" She comes with a cauldron, pretend "poisons", a wand and potion bottles ("Mix potions you can really drink!"). There is no doubt what this doll is designed to teach.
It always amazes me that Americans are constantly trying to get Christianity out of children's lives but promoting Paganism and witchcraft is okay. That's what the Wiccan's believe, right? Wiccan is a religion? Well then if it's okay to have Wiccan religious play then it should be okay to have Christian religious play.
I've seen this doll pushed on eBay as a "holloween" present, a "wiccan" doll, a "witchcraft" doll - people know how to sell it to the populace! So go ahead and bury your heads in the sand. If Mattel gets away with this believe me they will push the envelope further next time.  |
21st October 2003, 07:53 AM
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Yeah. The doll's designed to teach that drinking sugar water is "secret" and "special" and "magic," none of which are real.
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21st October 2003, 09:18 AM
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Reps: 15 (power: 0) | | I still don't see this as some Wiccan doll, more likely a Harry Potter spin off for girls and Mattel just wanting to make a few bucks. The potion is no different than kool-aid, just a sugary powder you mix with water.
As for the "secret spells" she is hiding, that's just a sales gimmick. It's no different than all the "secret" stuff you can find marketed to girls. Parents still know about it don't they? Obviously it's not all that hidden, it's written all over the box. Not like they are selling the doll marketing it as a normal one so parents will buy it, with the kid knowing secretly it's some spell barbie.
I believe it's all up to the parents as to how your kid is with this stuff anyways. I grew up with a variety of toys, some probably deemed violent, and I play what many would consider violent video games. After all this, do I promote violence or engage in it myself? Not at all. My parents raised me right, knowing right from wrong, and I abhor the use of violence and guns for anything.
I detest Barbie all together however, as it is an unrealistic doll to start with, and shows girls that beauty and materialism is okay. I don't see you causing a stir about that though, when I would think that is equally as wrong and against Christianity? 
Bottom line is, it's a sales gimmick, a Harry Potter spin off to make a few bucks. In my opinion, if you raise your kids right teaching them right from wrong, there shouldn't be any trouble. Besides, kind of ironic a Christian parent will buy Barbie for their kid, but not the secret spells Barbie. In reality, aren't both of them wrong to start with? Is it okay to buy a doll that promotes good looks and materialism any better? 
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