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Old 18th October 2003, 06:00 PM
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Trace Fossils Falsify the Global Flood

Trace fossil are found throughout much of the geologic column that YEC interpret as being deposited by a world wide flood. Trace fossils show animals going about there buisness during a time when YECs claim the entire world was under a flood with currents so powerfull that it rearranged all the world's geology depositing layers of sediment thousands of feet thick all over the world. The presence of trace fossils in layers that are supposed to be flood deposits falsifies the claim the claim that the flood of Noah was worldwide.

I have already discussed how the animal track in the Permian Coconino Sandstones of the Grand Canyon

http://www.psiaz.com/Schur/azpaleo/cocotr.html

show that the sandstones are not flood deposits and that the YEC claims aobut them are totally illogical and not supported by reality.

http://www.christianforums.com/t50735

The Jurassic Navajo sandstone of the Colorado plateau also contain both burrows made by invertebrates and widespread tracks of vertebrate animals.

http://www.unl.edu/geosciences/dbl/N...s&Burrows.html

Starting from the first Paleozoic strata, the following formations below the Navajo sandstones and are alleged by most YECs to be flood deposits.

Tapeats Sandstone,
Bright Angel Shale,
Muav Limestone,
Grand Wash Dolomites
Temple Butte Limestone
Redwall Limestone
Surprise Canyon Formation
Supai Group
Hermit Formation
Coconino Sandstones
Toroweap Formation
Kabab Limestones
Moenkopi Formation
Chinle Formation
Wingate Formation
Kayenta Formation

So after thousand of feet of sediments of many different types were deposited there were still invertebrates around making burrows and animals around making tracks. There are also tracks and burrows in the Chinle Formation and there are the famous tracks in the Coconino Sandstones that have already been discussed.

Here are some pages with details about the geology and paleontology of the Colorado Plateau.
http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/grandb.htm
http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/grand2.htm
http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/grand2b.htm


There are extensive Dinosaur trackways in the Moab.

http://www.isgs.uiuc.edu/dinos/SIU-c...acks-day1.html

In addition to running around making tracks dinosaurs were also building nests and laying eggs during the global flood that had already deposited thousands of feet of sediments.

http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/eggs.htm

There also many trace fossils of insects found in various layers that are supposed to be flood deposits. This site has a picture of a Jurassic Termite Nest in the Morrison formation
http://rainbow.ldgo.columbia.edu/cou...orisson14.html

How did termites build this nest during a global flood that had already deposited thousands of feet of sediments?

Here is a site with extensive bee and wasp trace fossils.
http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/mgg/sepm/pa...02/genise.html

There are also extensive burrows made by marine animals as trace fossils. Some are J-Shaped and Some are U-Shaped.
http://www.geo.ucalgary.ca/~macrae/t...es/burrow.html

and even burrows that were enlarged by the organism as it grew.

http://it.stlawu.edumath/activities//~***/***2001/***2001OralPres/***2001TBouchard.html
(This is an interesting site but Christian forum censoring software is taking an innocent part of the name and converting it to *** very annoying and even putting it in url tags doesn't help. If you cut it out and replace all the stars with F O S without the spaces it may work. )

They indicate that various types of normal animal behavior was going on while a worldwide flood was supposedly rearranging all the world's geology.
http://www.earthsci.ucl.ac.uk/underg...sils/morph.htm

This site has a huge collection of trace fossil images

http://www.emory.edu/COLLEGE/ENVS/re...gy//images.htm
Here is particularly interesting one of Cretaceous age.

http://www.emory.edu/COLLEGE/ENVS/re...tyloidites.htm

All through the paleozoic, mesozoic and cenzoic portions of the geologic column we see evidence of organisms going about their daily lives, walking around, hunting, making burrows, making nests and laying eggs. This is completely inconsistent with the claim that the layers these traces fossils are found in were deposited by a worldwide flood that was moving trillions of tons of sediment around and rearranging all the world's geology.

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And it gets ignored by YECs.
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And it gets ignored by YECs.
Honestly though, are there anymore even on these forums?

They were fun.
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Originally Posted by revolutio
Honestly though, are there anymore even on these forums?

They were fun.
They still populate the other forums - they just like to keep clear of the science forum. I guess if they shut themselves off from the invalidity of their beliefs they are all the more believable.
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Originally Posted by ObbiQuiet
They still populate the other forums - they just like to keep clear of the science forum. I guess if they shut themselves off from the invalidity of their beliefs they are all the more believable.
Eh, well don't expect me to hang around. My whole purpose for being on these forums is to be around people who have different beliefs than mine. No sense in us all just sitting around agreeing with one another.
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Originally Posted by revolutio
Eh, well don't expect me to hang around. My whole purpose for being on these forums is to be around people who have different beliefs than mine. No sense in us all just sitting around agreeing with one another.
Absolutely, I agree completely.
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Yeah, it's been getting pretty boring here... I've been waiting around hoping for another dayton to come by.
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Originally Posted by ObbiQuiet
They still populate the other forums - they just like to keep clear of the science forum.
Well, we all know where they went-- to the Christians-only "science" forum where they don't have to go through that whole tedious process of validating their evidence!
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Originally Posted by ashibaka
Well, we all know where they went-- to the Christians-only "science" forum where they don't have to go through that whole tedious process of validating their evidence!
Oh dear. And to think I had thought they would have learned from this forum.

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