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1st November 2007, 03:12 PM
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Reps: 83,891 (power: 99) | | Originally Posted by kiwimac  If people are not being challenged to think outside the boxes they arrive with at varsity, why on earth go there? The purpose of university is to stretch people, to help them see other POVs and to help them understand their chosen fields of study and has been since the beginnings of European-style universities.
Which, I suppose, is part of the reason why Americans who don't go to college are disproportionately conservative: new ideas are threatening to them.  |
1st November 2007, 03:12 PM
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Reps: 2,817,136,454,992,684,544 (power: 2,817,136,454,992,735) | | Originally Posted by KomissarSteve Now, what makes you say that? I think young people being exposed to different ideas so they can understand the world around them better is an integral part of their education.
When they're only exposed to one ideology, it's indoctrination. Are the programs presenting all ideas as equal. I doubt it. |
1st November 2007, 03:42 PM
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Reps: 83,891 (power: 99) | | Originally Posted by MachZer0 When they're only exposed to one ideology, it's indoctrination. Are the programs presenting all ideas as equal. I doubt it.
Well, it sounds like the burden of proof rests on you, on that one.  |
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1st November 2007, 04:19 PM
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Reps: 35,158,815,796,717,660 (power: 35,158,815,796,729) | | Originally Posted by kiwimac If people are not being challenged to think outside the boxes they arrive with at varsity, why on earth go there? The purpose of university is to stretch people, to help them see other POVs and to help them understand their chosen fields of study and has been since the beginnings of European-style universities.
Yes - but ideological rubbish like the samples quoted in this document are a fair way beyond "new and challenging ideas"and sounds more like the diatribe coming out of Mao's China during the 60s
Free speech or no - I wouldn't particularly want the KKK coming onto a campus to present their "ideas" either - there are limits.
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Reps: 5,996,526,027 (power: 5,996,541) | | Originally Posted by KomissarSteve Which, I suppose, is part of the reason why Americans who don't go to college are disproportionately conservative: new ideas are threatening to them.
Thats the best you can do? I guess I could say the reason a disproportionate number of liberals become teachers is because they can't hack it in the real world. But I am not going to say that  |
1st November 2007, 04:43 PM
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Reps: 83,891 (power: 99) | | Originally Posted by MachZer0 So you think it's possible that they are presenting white supremacist ideology, heterosexuality as the aprropriate sexuality philosophy and pro-life philosophy on an equal basis with liberal philosophy?
Strawman. Your claim was that students at UoD are only being exposed to one ideology, and that they are therefore being indoctrinated. Obviously, they aren't being exposed to all ideologies at once, but there's quite a bit of ground between the two extremes, no matter how much your argument relies on pretending that there isn't. |
1st November 2007, 04:44 PM
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Reps: 83,891 (power: 99) | | Originally Posted by SoupySayles Thats the best you can do? I guess I could say the reason a disproportionate number of liberals become teachers is because they can't hack it in the real world. But I am not going to say that
I'm glad you're not going to say that; imagine how embarrassing it would be for me to ask you to back that assertion up, and for you to be unable to do so. |
1st November 2007, 04:45 PM
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Reps: 87,544,445,143,026,464 (power: 87,544,445,143,039) | | Originally Posted by MachZer0 Who's doing that? We know who's attempting and promoting molding in the name of diversity
Well, for one, the government. (see post 26 in this thread).
Doesn't the military represent freedom? Woulnd't you say they mold servicemen? |
1st November 2007, 04:45 PM
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Reps: 83,891 (power: 99) | | Originally Posted by Trogdor the Burninator Yes - but ideological rubbish like the samples quoted in this document are a fair way beyond "new and challenging ideas"and sounds more like the diatribe coming out of Mao's China during the 60s
Free speech or no - I wouldn't particularly want the KKK coming onto a campus to present their "ideas" either - there are limits.
So do you extend this sentiment to institutions like Bob Hope University? | | |
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