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17th October 2003, 05:23 PM
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In my opinion, being an "evolutionist" simply means that you accept the overwhelming evidence that;
* the Earth is several billion years old
* live has existed on earth for almost as long as the Earth has existed
* all live has a common ancestry
* complex structures/patterns (i.e. life) can come about based upon simple principles, as long as there is enough time an input of engery.
* all known phenomenon can be explained by studying nature
* populations of organisms change over many generations
Being an evolutionist in my opinion does NOT mean that;
* life has no meaning
* some people are superior to others
* there is no God
* morals are useless
* life, or the universe itself, came about by pure chance
* random processes dictate nature
* compassion is wasted on the weak
* we should not be amazed that chemicals can assemble themselves into you and me under the right circumstances.
I would like to hear other opinions please.
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17th October 2003, 05:31 PM
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"all known phenomenon can be explained by studying nature "
What does that mean?
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17th October 2003, 05:47 PM
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It's no different than being a "gravitationist" or "relativist" or any other label you can tack on to an idea in science.
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17th October 2003, 07:17 PM
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It means spending far too much time on discussion boards. Been learning a lot, though!
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17th October 2003, 07:55 PM
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Reps: 29,807,908,674,769,116 (power: 29,807,908,674,784) | | Originally Posted by Late_Cretaceous In my opinion, being an "evolutionist" simply means that you accept the overwhelming evidence that;
* the Earth is several billion years old
* live has existed on earth for almost as long as the Earth has existed
* all live has a common ancestry
* complex structures/patterns (i.e. life) can come about based upon simple principles, as long as there is enough time an input of engery.
* all known phenomenon can be explained by studying nature
* populations of organisms change over many generations
Being an evolutionist in my opinion does NOT mean that;
* life has no meaning
* some people are superior to others
* there is no God
* morals are useless
* life, or the universe itself, came about by pure chance
* random processes dictate nature
* compassion is wasted on the weak
* we should not be amazed that chemicals can assemble themselves into you and me under the right circumstances.
I would like to hear other opinions please.
If by the bolded part you mean the natural world, then I agree with you.
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17th October 2003, 10:42 PM
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17th October 2003, 11:21 PM
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18th October 2003, 12:05 AM
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18th October 2003, 02:51 AM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | | Hey folks! I'm new to this forum and I find I am becoming "enlightened" as to what other Christians believe. I gotta say, I am in a perplexing place when it comes to the phrase "Christian evolutionist". If a Christian believes in evolution, what kind of God do they believe in?
Here's where my confusion lies. A God who tells us that man sinned, and through his sin death entered the earth, would therefore be a lying God. Jesus used parables to teach, but for a God to claim the ability to create AND recreate in a twinkling of an eye, but who has not that ability, again is a liar. This is not scientific fact, I realize, but philosophy is intimately involved in the scientific process. Hope none of this insults anyone. Anyway, thanks ahead of time for your answers. | | |
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