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15th October 2003, 04:29 PM
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Specimen #1 Specimen #2 Specimen #3 Specimen #4 Specimen #5 Specimen #6 Specimen #7 Specimen #8 Specimen #9 Specimen #10 Specimen #11 Specimen #12 Specimen #13 Which are birds and which are dinosaurs? (anyone can answer, I'm not expecting much YEC attention  ) Edit to add: Evidently the link to Specimen 14 no longer works. Sorry kids 
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15th October 2003, 04:35 PM
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15th October 2003, 04:36 PM
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Correct; it's a Deinonychus
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15th October 2003, 04:41 PM
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no no, the dinosaur in his avatar is a bird.
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15th October 2003, 04:41 PM
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Touche.
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16th October 2003, 03:52 PM
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Birds have one line of bones ie ckicken wings.
I'll have pictures in a few minutes. 
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16th October 2003, 04:04 PM
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Reps: 3,202,689,982,729,637 (power: 3,202,689,982,740) | | Originally Posted by Megachihuahua Look at the wing bones, please. See how it branches of into "fingers"? That's like a bat wing or a lizard wing.
Yes, or exactly like the wings of Archaeopteryx
You can even see the steady transition from full-formed fingers to a stub Archaeopteryx (bird) Confuciusornis (bird) Liaxiornis (bird) Birds have one line of bones ie ckicken wings. Modern birds do; not extinct birds. So was Archaeopteryx, with it's fully mobile fingers, just a flying dinosaur? I'll have pictures in a few minutes.
Trust me, I know what bat, bird, and pterosaur wings look like  
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16th October 2003, 04:15 PM
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16th October 2003, 04:28 PM
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Reps: 3,202,689,982,729,637 (power: 3,202,689,982,740) | | Originally Posted by Megachihuahua Oh, PLEASE! Three modern birds have claws
No, no adult birds have "claws". The hoatzin chick has some stubby little fingers but they fuse as the bird matures. Those 3 birds I just linked pictures to all have fully-formed fingers as adults. but there is a diffrence between the claws and the bones used to support the wing!
No there is no difference. The wings of Archaeopteryx are completely identical to those of Dromaeosaurs in everything but proportion to the rest of the body (and Sinornithosaurus even approaches that). You're moving in circles, admit it.
No I'm not. Would you care to accept the callenge I posted and explain which of the 14 are dinos and which are birds? Or are you afraid you'll mess up?
I'd write more but I've got to go eat. brb to finish you up.
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