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species never change species though and there is noscientific proof there has ever been cross species evolution and there never will be.
That's some big claim!
I suggest you learn more about the origin of wheat (Triticum aestivum).
Or, before you shout that domestication ain't evolution, meet the 20th century's two new groundsels: Senecio cambrensis and S. eboracensis.
The above are examples of hybrid speciation. Literally "cross-species" evolution, though I'm pretty sure you simply meant "speciation", which has been observed countless times in the lab and in the wild. See our favourite list of observed speciation events.
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I suggest you learn more about the origin of wheat (Triticum aestivum).
Or, before you shout that domestication ain't evolution, meet the 20th century's two new groundsels: Senecio cambrensis and S. eboracensis.
The above are examples of hybrid speciation. Literally "cross-species" evolution, though I'm pretty sure you simply meant "speciation", which has been observed countless times in the lab and in the wild. See our favourite list of observed speciation events.
Nope not cross species mutation simply seperate species that existed all along or were put here later by God.
Science learned at secular educational facilities amounts to this....
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They did. Our cousins branched off from a common ancestor with us.
Originally Posted by Carey
mutation of species that stay the same species.
species never change species though and there is noscientific proof there has ever been cross species evolution and there never will be.
There never will be? That is an intellectual stopping point for you I'm afraid. You completely exclude the mere possibility of finding evidence for such an event; scientists cannot do that. It takes real courage and honesty to accept evidence that goes against the grain of your current paradigm.
Here are models of how speciation events could occur.
They did. Our cousins branched off from a common ancestor with us.
There never will be? That is an intellectual stopping point for you I'm afraid. You completely exclude the mere possibility of finding evidence for such an event; scientists cannot do that. It takes real courage and honesty to accept evidence that goes against the grain of your current paradigm.
Here are models of how speciation events could occur.
1 Timothy 6 : 20Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge, 21which some have professed and in so doing have wandered from the faith.
__________________ 2 Timothy 2 : 23Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. 24And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. 25Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, 26and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.
Nope not cross species mutation simply seperate species that existed all along or were put here later by God.
I guess you are hopeless.
Wheat and those two groundsels (and many more plants) come from the crossing of two different species (IIRC two different genera in the case of wheat). And they are, by the best definition we have, proper new species. True, they weren't directly seen to emerge. These hybrids were*. (So good I didn't throw out last semester's lecture notes... a gold mine of examples.) Long story short: a scientist took two related plant species, crossed them and bred the result. In the first few generations, most plants were not very vigorous and close to sterile. By the seventh or so generation, several lines (each coming from a single self-fertilising first generation hybrid) acquired vigour and fertility comparable to the parent species. IIRC the hybrids at the end of the lines could not interbreed with either parent species - but they could happily propagate themselves. I.e. they became new species.
And this was an experiment. Closely watched from beginning to the end. Every step in the process was documented. No invisible pink unicorns messing with things while you weren't looking.
It's this easy to make new species, at least in plants. In most animals hybridisation probably wouldn't work well, but then you can have selection to do the job.
Science learned at secular educational facilities amounts to this....
1 Timothy 6 : 20Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge, 21which some have professed and in so doing have wandered from the faith.
Come on. Switch off your computer and turn Amish if you think science is just that.
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* If you can't access the pdf, here is the reference so you can look for it in a library or something:
Grant, Verne. Selection for Vigor and Fertility in the Progeny of a Highly Sterile Species Hybrid in Gilia. Genetics. 1966 Apr;53(4):757–776.
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"Come on, put your bloody thinking caps on!" - Dr Tony Prave, geology lecture
That would be incorrect. In fact your explanation (from what I can understand) seems antithetical.
Would you like to know what's involved with the actual theory? A good start is reading up a little on the mechanisms of evolution such as natural selection which I didn't see anywhere in your explanation of your understanding of evolution.
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That would be incorrect. In fact your explanation (from what I can understand) seems antithetical.
It's a perfect creationist definition of evolution "Any change in an organism that doesn't invalidate creationism."
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"Come on, put your bloody thinking caps on!" - Dr Tony Prave, geology lecture
It's a perfect creationist definition of evolution "Any change in an organism that doesn't invalidate creationism."
Thats right becaiue any organism that appears to invalidate creationsim is actually sciences misunderstanding of how organism came to be.
Just like the cousin analogy someone recently posted.
Dogs have evolved since domestication but their cousin the dingo is still the same species.
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Thats right becaiue any organism that appears to invalidate creationsim is actually sciences misunderstanding of how organism came to be.
Because you know SO much about science that you can confidently declare all of it wrong.
Just like the cousin analogy someone recently posted.
What's wrong with the cousin analogy? Details please.
Dogs have evolved since domestication but their cousin the dingo is still the same species.
What point are you trying to make with this? That a case of evolution without speciation invalidates this entire list?
__________________ "There is much we do not understand about the history of life, and the same will be true of our grandchildren. But, then, if we knew all there was to know, scientific interest would cease. Textbooks may portray science as a codification of facts, but it is really a disciplined way of asking about the unknown." - A.H. Knoll, Life on a Young Planet
"Come on, put your bloody thinking caps on!" - Dr Tony Prave, geology lecture
Because you know SO much about science that you can confidently declare all of it wrong.
What's wrong with the cousin analogy? Details please.
What point are you trying to make with this? That a case of evolution without speciation invalidates this entire list?
Not ALL science.....
But the ALL WISE CREATOR YAHWEH told us how to identify false or incorrect science in his Holy written word that he has miraculously prevented from being perverted or distorted from his divine purpose.
1 Timothy 6:20
20Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge,
__________________ 2 Timothy 2 : 23Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. 24And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. 25Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, 26and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.
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